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Old 05-12-2013 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
In Saudi Arabia, it is illegal to drink alcohol, and is punishable by public lashing. Does that make it acceptable to have this law in a US state?

Should a law be acceptable because there are other places where that law exists, OR should we do what's right? Seems simple to me.

If you have a problem with older people continuing to work and "taking your jobs," then maybe you should move to a Communist country where they share the wealth.

This is how I feel when I hear people talking about this subject:
Southpark - They Took Our Job! - YouTube

I am in my early fifties so I don't have a problem with older people continuing to work if people need to do so. The flipside of the coin is the high number of young people unable to secure meaning employment in this economy. The consequences for the US economy will be many. None more important than a country unable to compete with other industrialized countries in Asia.
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Old 05-12-2013 | 09:49 AM
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ALPA had an update on this a few weeks ago. ICAO is looking to make 65 a policy not a practice for all pilots in the right seat. For the over/under 60 rule. They are proposing that there is no difference in a 59y/o and a 64 y/o.
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Old 05-13-2013 | 05:41 AM
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It is a function of our seniority and pay system that causes some of the hardest (physiologically) flying to be done by the oldest pilots. A 0500 La Quinta van pales before multiple ocean crossings at all hours, or double all-nighter deep South America trips, regardless of the crew augmentation.

Pay should be purely seniority based. Let the guys approaching 65 bid whatever they want, such as day narrowbody turns.
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Old 05-13-2013 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ForeverFO
It is a function of our seniority and pay system that causes some of the hardest (physiologically) flying to be done by the oldest pilots. A 0500 La Quinta van pales before multiple ocean crossings at all hours, or double all-nighter deep South America trips, regardless of the crew augmentation.

Pay should be purely seniority based. Let the guys approaching 65 bid whatever they want, such as day narrowbody turns.
I'm inclined to agree with this. If it were implemented, you'd see widebody long-haul start to go pretty darn junior, I'd think.
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Old 05-13-2013 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ForeverFO
It is a function of our seniority and pay system that causes some of the hardest (physiologically) flying to be done by the oldest pilots. A 0500 La Quinta van pales before multiple ocean crossings at all hours, or double all-nighter deep South America trips, regardless of the crew augmentation.

Pay should be purely seniority based. Let the guys approaching 65 bid whatever they want, such as day narrowbody turns.
Wide body pay and top of scale pay would come down as the wealth was distributed among a greater number of pilots. The net effect should still be the same overtime though.
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Old 05-14-2013 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by VenetianFryCook
I'm inclined to agree with this. If it were implemented, you'd see widebody long-haul start to go pretty darn junior, I'd think.
That's what happened at Lufthansa. All planes pay the same. I see no reason the same couldn't be adopted here so long as they follow the example of Lufthansa and pay well for all types.
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Old 05-14-2013 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Get rid of the age restriction all together. If you can hold a first class medical, then you should be legal to fly. If you don't believe a first class medical is stringent enough, then up the standards.

This is the only career I can think of where there is blatant age discrimination. For the record, I adequately planned for retirement and plan to retire between 55 and 60, but I cannot stand that some of my friends are being forced out.
Or just go fly for a Part 135 carrier. No restrictions there!
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Old 05-14-2013 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hueypilot
I had to read that twice to make sure I was comprehending it correctly. Maybe it was an attempt at sarcasm...

GW certainly was no spendthrift but the current administration takes the cake for out of control spending.

On topic, as many have alluded to, there are many careers that have age limits. Even my job in the reserves will one day force me to hang up my flight suit.

But, I really don't think I WANT to be working a real job when I'm 66...
This...Why the hell would I want to keep working past 65? Nevermind getting a physical, I would need to get my head examined!
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Old 05-14-2013 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by labbats
That's what happened at Lufthansa. All planes pay the same. I see no reason the same couldn't be adopted here so long as they follow the example of Lufthansa and pay well for all types.
One contract, one pay scale, one real union, problem solved.
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Old 05-14-2013 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Night Hawk 6
One contract, one pay scale, one real union, problem solved.
I think USAPA is up to the task!
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