MOU Update?
07-30-2013, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by porqueno
I just looked at the Nov East bid. Q "Net headcount decrease driven by 22 retirements"
does that mean no more hiring for awhile?
does that mean no more hiring for awhile?
07-30-2013, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Eastie Pilot
David and Dennis are good guys and very knowledgeable. A vendor has all but been selected, but it's too early to announce that at this time. The new system will be different from the current West system (for the better). The new PBS system will probably go into effect for the West pilots first since they already use PBS. It will take a little more time to implement PBS for AA pilots and East US pilots. As far as the other sections of scheduling, the company has been put on notice that they will not be allowed to implement things willy nilly. If they want to implement something early, they will have to go through the negotiating committee and it will be a tit for tat implementation. Something for the company, something for the pilots. Honestly, with FAR 117 coming, all company resourses are being poured into that. There isn't time between the POR and January to reprogram the West and the East to the new AA scheduling system. AA hasn't even implemented parts of the new system for their pilots yet. I would expect the scheduling systems will be combined later next year.
There was a rumor going around PHX for a while that we would have to switch to CATcREW because of the need to adjust to the new flight and duty regs. I guess that can be put to rest, it makes more sense to keep the existing 3 scheduling systems until the single certificate cutover.
07-30-2013, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Eastie Pilot
When there is a JCBA and all scheduling systems are combined, you'll get your extra day off per month. But while you're waiting to get that extra day off, you'll get paid an additional 3 hours per month if you're a short call on the East and 4 hours per month if you're a shortcall on the West. On third year pay, that's an additional $300+ per month. If you're a West pilot, its almost an additional $500 per month(with the extra day off). If you're a long call pilot on the East, you'll be taking home $100+ less per month. But don't worry, as soon as the scheduling systems are combined we will lose our ability to bid long call for the entire month. So if you're a commuter, you better plan on being a block holder when the systems are combined or else you'll be spending a lot of time in the crashpad.
07-30-2013, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Eastie Pilot
David and Dennis are good guys and very knowledgeable. A vendor has all but been selected, but it's too early to announce that at this time. The new system will be different from the current West system (for the better). The new PBS system will probably go into effect for the West pilots first since they already use PBS. It will take a little more time to implement PBS for AA pilots and East US pilots. As far as the other sections of scheduling, the company has been put on notice that they will not be allowed to implement things willy nilly. If they want to implement something early, they will have to go through the negotiating committee and it will be a tit for tat implementation. Something for the company, something for the pilots. Honestly, with FAR 117 coming, all company resourses are being poured into that. There isn't time between the POR and January to reprogram the West and the East to the new AA scheduling system. AA hasn't even implemented parts of the new system for their pilots yet. I would expect the scheduling systems will be combined later next year.
07-30-2013, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CanoePilot
I thought min days go to 13 in a 31 day month and 12 in a 30. I was also told long call is staying?
The days off you quote are what is currently in the APA contract. Once a JCBA is completed, you can expect to see those days off on the East. I'm not sure who told you that long call was staying. Whoever it was apparently hasn't read the APA contract or talked to an AA pilot. AA has long call but doesn't really use it. They bid for what they want day to day (a trip or a short call rap) and long call is rarely available. You should get yourself a copy of the 2012 APA contract and read it. Don't expect too many things different than what is in there and the MOU.
07-31-2013, 05:03 AM
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There isn't much in the realm of reserve rules in the APA contract. But if you look at the new rules coming in etc....You will notice it's a little close to what US is doing now than what I've read AA is doing. It would seem that the company could have all short call, but with the new rules, I would imagine the staffing would have to be increased for the coverage they would need. Whereas 117 has long and short call built in it seems. But who knows what the final result will be.
Where have you seen it published officially the extra pay at the POR for rsv for the day off differences? Curious how you get your numbers, as LC is 72hr and short is 76hr, but with only 10 days off. So are they going to adjust for the new guarantee of 73 hours then pay per day for each day you don't get off? That alone would be a 3hr cut for short and 1hr raise for long. Then add in the 2 or 3 days of pay for less days off. So exactly how did you get to the 100 less per month for long call? Doesn't make sense here.
Where have you seen it published officially the extra pay at the POR for rsv for the day off differences? Curious how you get your numbers, as LC is 72hr and short is 76hr, but with only 10 days off. So are they going to adjust for the new guarantee of 73 hours then pay per day for each day you don't get off? That alone would be a 3hr cut for short and 1hr raise for long. Then add in the 2 or 3 days of pay for less days off. So exactly how did you get to the 100 less per month for long call? Doesn't make sense here.
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