Usapa objects to POR
07-30-2013, 08:30 PM
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Eagle Pilots, USAPA is coming to rescue you. Really. Yes, they are. They have your interests fully in mind and there is no law they will acknowledge and abide by if it interferes in any way with their, I mean your, goals. Rejoice! Your savior is here!
07-31-2013, 06:59 AM
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A total of 8 parties have filed objections:
Parties file objections to American Airlines plan of reorganization | Airline Biz Blog
One day after stakeholders finished voting on the American Airlines plan of reorganization, Tuesday marked the deadline for parties to file objections to the plan.
Here are summaries of a number of the objections, filed in advance of an Aug. 15 hearing by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane to consider confirming the plan:
1. The plaintiffs challenging the merger of US Airways and American Airlines on antitrust grounds want Lane to delay the hearing.
In a July 2 lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, the plaintiffs alleged that the merger was anti-competitive and violated the Clayton Act. They asked Judge Lane to continue the hearing until they get a decision on their lawsuit, which they said would have a “normal turnaround time of anywhere between 90-180 days” as court scheduling would allow.
2. The American Independent Cockpit Alliance, which represents former Trans World Airlines pilots, wants the plan’s confirmation delayed until the AICA wraps up its appeal of a Lane decision from December.
The AICA lost its effort to block American and the Allied Pilots Association from signing a new contract, which eliminated protections for the ex-TWA pilots based in St. Louis. The AICA appealed that decision to U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon in New York. The AICA said all briefing in McMahon’s court had been completed April 30.
3. “Supplement B” pilots also wanted Lane to delay a decision until their case in Judge McMahon’s court is decided.
Supplement B refers to contract language that protected American Airlines pilots who were at the carrier as of Nov. 1, 1983. Management agreed to protect pilots then at the airline from concessions that would apply to new pilots. The commitment was contained in Supplement B to the contract.
However, when the company negotiated a new contract with the union last year, it did away with Supplement B and its provisions, such as the right for a retiring pilot to take his or her pension in a lump sum.
The Supplement B pilots, of which there somewhere over 100 remaining at American, also appealed Lane’s decision to Judge McMahon’s court.
4. The US Airline Pilots Association, which represents US Airways pilots, filed a “limited objection” which said that “the plan currently fails to demonstrate its feasibility.”
In particular, American, parent AMR, etc. “fail to establish a business plan for their regional carriers, most importantly American Eagle, one of the core components of their business,” USAPA said in its filing.
USAPA also objected to the plan’s release of claims against non-debtors, i.e. merger partner US Airways.
“The Nondebtor Release not only would discharge claims against non-debtors arising from their own misconduct, but would also shield non-debtors – most notably, US Airways – from liability if they were to breach the terms of the MOU approved by this Court,” the USAPA filing said.
The MOU is a memorandum of understanding that spells out how the merger would treat USAPA members and American pilots, represented by the Allied Pilots Association.
USAPA also objected to a payment of nearly $20 million in cash and stock to outgoing American Airlines CEO Tom Horton, saying it wasn’t permitted under federal law.
That’s an issue that’s been argued a couple of times since the airlines announced the merger in February.
5. Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 employees and its primary offices when an American Airlines jet struck the north tower of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, filed a limited objection to make sure it can still proceed with its lawsuit against American.
Judge Lane in early 2012 granted Cantor Fitzgerald the right to pursue its liability lawsuit against American, with damages limited to what American’s insurance might pay. The case is set to go to trial in January 2014, the CF filing said.
The firm worried that the plan of reorganization seemed to preclude its lawsuit from proceeding, despite Lane’s ruling in 2012. It asked that the plan add language to make clear that the lawsuit can go on.
6. Fort Worth and the Alliance Airport Authority had a limited objection and reservation of rights to make sure that American fulfills its obligations dating from more than 20 years ago when it occupied a big maintenance base at the airport. The airline has shut down most of its Alliance operations.
7. There have been some limited objections and reservation of rights came from trustees for creditors and equipment lessors.
8. Tax officials from Miami, Los Angeles, Waco and Brazos County, Midland and Taylor County and Denton and Denton County filed objections seeking to make sure they get paid the taxes owed their jurisdictions.
9. Allegheny County, Penn., which owns the Pittsburgh airport, said their claims for $30.5 million owed them by American and American Eagle isn’t being handled fairly. Its payment would have to come from a reserve fund for all such disputed claims that American wants limited to a maximum $331 million.
Parties file objections to American Airlines plan of reorganization | Airline Biz Blog
One day after stakeholders finished voting on the American Airlines plan of reorganization, Tuesday marked the deadline for parties to file objections to the plan.
Here are summaries of a number of the objections, filed in advance of an Aug. 15 hearing by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane to consider confirming the plan:
1. The plaintiffs challenging the merger of US Airways and American Airlines on antitrust grounds want Lane to delay the hearing.
In a July 2 lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, the plaintiffs alleged that the merger was anti-competitive and violated the Clayton Act. They asked Judge Lane to continue the hearing until they get a decision on their lawsuit, which they said would have a “normal turnaround time of anywhere between 90-180 days” as court scheduling would allow.
2. The American Independent Cockpit Alliance, which represents former Trans World Airlines pilots, wants the plan’s confirmation delayed until the AICA wraps up its appeal of a Lane decision from December.
The AICA lost its effort to block American and the Allied Pilots Association from signing a new contract, which eliminated protections for the ex-TWA pilots based in St. Louis. The AICA appealed that decision to U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon in New York. The AICA said all briefing in McMahon’s court had been completed April 30.
3. “Supplement B” pilots also wanted Lane to delay a decision until their case in Judge McMahon’s court is decided.
Supplement B refers to contract language that protected American Airlines pilots who were at the carrier as of Nov. 1, 1983. Management agreed to protect pilots then at the airline from concessions that would apply to new pilots. The commitment was contained in Supplement B to the contract.
However, when the company negotiated a new contract with the union last year, it did away with Supplement B and its provisions, such as the right for a retiring pilot to take his or her pension in a lump sum.
The Supplement B pilots, of which there somewhere over 100 remaining at American, also appealed Lane’s decision to Judge McMahon’s court.
4. The US Airline Pilots Association, which represents US Airways pilots, filed a “limited objection” which said that “the plan currently fails to demonstrate its feasibility.”
In particular, American, parent AMR, etc. “fail to establish a business plan for their regional carriers, most importantly American Eagle, one of the core components of their business,” USAPA said in its filing.
USAPA also objected to the plan’s release of claims against non-debtors, i.e. merger partner US Airways.
“The Nondebtor Release not only would discharge claims against non-debtors arising from their own misconduct, but would also shield non-debtors – most notably, US Airways – from liability if they were to breach the terms of the MOU approved by this Court,” the USAPA filing said.
The MOU is a memorandum of understanding that spells out how the merger would treat USAPA members and American pilots, represented by the Allied Pilots Association.
USAPA also objected to a payment of nearly $20 million in cash and stock to outgoing American Airlines CEO Tom Horton, saying it wasn’t permitted under federal law.
That’s an issue that’s been argued a couple of times since the airlines announced the merger in February.
5. Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 employees and its primary offices when an American Airlines jet struck the north tower of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, filed a limited objection to make sure it can still proceed with its lawsuit against American.
Judge Lane in early 2012 granted Cantor Fitzgerald the right to pursue its liability lawsuit against American, with damages limited to what American’s insurance might pay. The case is set to go to trial in January 2014, the CF filing said.
The firm worried that the plan of reorganization seemed to preclude its lawsuit from proceeding, despite Lane’s ruling in 2012. It asked that the plan add language to make clear that the lawsuit can go on.
6. Fort Worth and the Alliance Airport Authority had a limited objection and reservation of rights to make sure that American fulfills its obligations dating from more than 20 years ago when it occupied a big maintenance base at the airport. The airline has shut down most of its Alliance operations.
7. There have been some limited objections and reservation of rights came from trustees for creditors and equipment lessors.
8. Tax officials from Miami, Los Angeles, Waco and Brazos County, Midland and Taylor County and Denton and Denton County filed objections seeking to make sure they get paid the taxes owed their jurisdictions.
9. Allegheny County, Penn., which owns the Pittsburgh airport, said their claims for $30.5 million owed them by American and American Eagle isn’t being handled fairly. Its payment would have to come from a reserve fund for all such disputed claims that American wants limited to a maximum $331 million.
07-31-2013, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by nwa757
A total of 8 parties have filed objections:
Parties file objections to American Airlines plan of reorganization | Airline Biz Blog
One day after stakeholders finished voting on the American Airlines plan of reorganization, Tuesday marked the deadline for parties to file objections to the plan.
Here are summaries of a number of the objections, filed in advance of an Aug. 15 hearing by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane to consider confirming the plan:
1. The plaintiffs challenging the merger of US Airways and American Airlines on antitrust grounds want Lane to delay the hearing.
In a July 2 lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, the plaintiffs alleged that the merger was anti-competitive and violated the Clayton Act. They asked Judge Lane to continue the hearing until they get a decision on their lawsuit, which they said would have a “normal turnaround time of anywhere between 90-180 days” as court scheduling would allow.
2. The American Independent Cockpit Alliance, which represents former Trans World Airlines pilots, wants the plan’s confirmation delayed until the AICA wraps up its appeal of a Lane decision from December.
The AICA lost its effort to block American and the Allied Pilots Association from signing a new contract, which eliminated protections for the ex-TWA pilots based in St. Louis. The AICA appealed that decision to U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon in New York. The AICA said all briefing in McMahon’s court had been completed April 30.
3. “Supplement B” pilots also wanted Lane to delay a decision until their case in Judge McMahon’s court is decided.
Supplement B refers to contract language that protected American Airlines pilots who were at the carrier as of Nov. 1, 1983. Management agreed to protect pilots then at the airline from concessions that would apply to new pilots. The commitment was contained in Supplement B to the contract.
However, when the company negotiated a new contract with the union last year, it did away with Supplement B and its provisions, such as the right for a retiring pilot to take his or her pension in a lump sum.
The Supplement B pilots, of which there somewhere over 100 remaining at American, also appealed Lane’s decision to Judge McMahon’s court.
4. The US Airline Pilots Association, which represents US Airways pilots, filed a “limited objection” which said that “the plan currently fails to demonstrate its feasibility.”
In particular, American, parent AMR, etc. “fail to establish a business plan for their regional carriers, most importantly American Eagle, one of the core components of their business,” USAPA said in its filing.
USAPA also objected to the plan’s release of claims against non-debtors, i.e. merger partner US Airways.
“The Nondebtor Release not only would discharge claims against non-debtors arising from their own misconduct, but would also shield non-debtors – most notably, US Airways – from liability if they were to breach the terms of the MOU approved by this Court,” the USAPA filing said.
The MOU is a memorandum of understanding that spells out how the merger would treat USAPA members and American pilots, represented by the Allied Pilots Association.
USAPA also objected to a payment of nearly $20 million in cash and stock to outgoing American Airlines CEO Tom Horton, saying it wasn’t permitted under federal law.
That’s an issue that’s been argued a couple of times since the airlines announced the merger in February.
5. Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 employees and its primary offices when an American Airlines jet struck the north tower of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, filed a limited objection to make sure it can still proceed with its lawsuit against American.
Judge Lane in early 2012 granted Cantor Fitzgerald the right to pursue its liability lawsuit against American, with damages limited to what American’s insurance might pay. The case is set to go to trial in January 2014, the CF filing said.
The firm worried that the plan of reorganization seemed to preclude its lawsuit from proceeding, despite Lane’s ruling in 2012. It asked that the plan add language to make clear that the lawsuit can go on.
6. Fort Worth and the Alliance Airport Authority had a limited objection and reservation of rights to make sure that American fulfills its obligations dating from more than 20 years ago when it occupied a big maintenance base at the airport. The airline has shut down most of its Alliance operations.
7. There have been some limited objections and reservation of rights came from trustees for creditors and equipment lessors.
8. Tax officials from Miami, Los Angeles, Waco and Brazos County, Midland and Taylor County and Denton and Denton County filed objections seeking to make sure they get paid the taxes owed their jurisdictions.
9. Allegheny County, Penn., which owns the Pittsburgh airport, said their claims for $30.5 million owed them by American and American Eagle isn’t being handled fairly. Its payment would have to come from a reserve fund for all such disputed claims that American wants limited to a maximum $331 million.
Parties file objections to American Airlines plan of reorganization | Airline Biz Blog
One day after stakeholders finished voting on the American Airlines plan of reorganization, Tuesday marked the deadline for parties to file objections to the plan.
Here are summaries of a number of the objections, filed in advance of an Aug. 15 hearing by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane to consider confirming the plan:
1. The plaintiffs challenging the merger of US Airways and American Airlines on antitrust grounds want Lane to delay the hearing.
In a July 2 lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, the plaintiffs alleged that the merger was anti-competitive and violated the Clayton Act. They asked Judge Lane to continue the hearing until they get a decision on their lawsuit, which they said would have a “normal turnaround time of anywhere between 90-180 days” as court scheduling would allow.
2. The American Independent Cockpit Alliance, which represents former Trans World Airlines pilots, wants the plan’s confirmation delayed until the AICA wraps up its appeal of a Lane decision from December.
The AICA lost its effort to block American and the Allied Pilots Association from signing a new contract, which eliminated protections for the ex-TWA pilots based in St. Louis. The AICA appealed that decision to U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon in New York. The AICA said all briefing in McMahon’s court had been completed April 30.
3. “Supplement B” pilots also wanted Lane to delay a decision until their case in Judge McMahon’s court is decided.
Supplement B refers to contract language that protected American Airlines pilots who were at the carrier as of Nov. 1, 1983. Management agreed to protect pilots then at the airline from concessions that would apply to new pilots. The commitment was contained in Supplement B to the contract.
However, when the company negotiated a new contract with the union last year, it did away with Supplement B and its provisions, such as the right for a retiring pilot to take his or her pension in a lump sum.
The Supplement B pilots, of which there somewhere over 100 remaining at American, also appealed Lane’s decision to Judge McMahon’s court.
4. The US Airline Pilots Association, which represents US Airways pilots, filed a “limited objection” which said that “the plan currently fails to demonstrate its feasibility.”
In particular, American, parent AMR, etc. “fail to establish a business plan for their regional carriers, most importantly American Eagle, one of the core components of their business,” USAPA said in its filing.
USAPA also objected to the plan’s release of claims against non-debtors, i.e. merger partner US Airways.
“The Nondebtor Release not only would discharge claims against non-debtors arising from their own misconduct, but would also shield non-debtors – most notably, US Airways – from liability if they were to breach the terms of the MOU approved by this Court,” the USAPA filing said.
The MOU is a memorandum of understanding that spells out how the merger would treat USAPA members and American pilots, represented by the Allied Pilots Association.
USAPA also objected to a payment of nearly $20 million in cash and stock to outgoing American Airlines CEO Tom Horton, saying it wasn’t permitted under federal law.
That’s an issue that’s been argued a couple of times since the airlines announced the merger in February.
5. Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 employees and its primary offices when an American Airlines jet struck the north tower of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, filed a limited objection to make sure it can still proceed with its lawsuit against American.
Judge Lane in early 2012 granted Cantor Fitzgerald the right to pursue its liability lawsuit against American, with damages limited to what American’s insurance might pay. The case is set to go to trial in January 2014, the CF filing said.
The firm worried that the plan of reorganization seemed to preclude its lawsuit from proceeding, despite Lane’s ruling in 2012. It asked that the plan add language to make clear that the lawsuit can go on.
6. Fort Worth and the Alliance Airport Authority had a limited objection and reservation of rights to make sure that American fulfills its obligations dating from more than 20 years ago when it occupied a big maintenance base at the airport. The airline has shut down most of its Alliance operations.
7. There have been some limited objections and reservation of rights came from trustees for creditors and equipment lessors.
8. Tax officials from Miami, Los Angeles, Waco and Brazos County, Midland and Taylor County and Denton and Denton County filed objections seeking to make sure they get paid the taxes owed their jurisdictions.
9. Allegheny County, Penn., which owns the Pittsburgh airport, said their claims for $30.5 million owed them by American and American Eagle isn’t being handled fairly. Its payment would have to come from a reserve fund for all such disputed claims that American wants limited to a maximum $331 million.
07-31-2013, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
You miss the real reason why that scum union filed an objection, you really think its about Hortons payout or eagle? Usapa buried a request in there for lane to order the mou not be changed, that is so they can block Silver from modifying the parts she finds illegal. Smarten up.
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08-01-2013, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
They dont stand a prayer because any BK block in turn blocks the merger and they are then blocked in to LOA 93 for the future while Parker then dismantles usair. GOOD luck there uscaba, time has ticked away so get ready to pay.
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What exactly is it that USAPA is going to "pay?"
08-01-2013, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by D B Cooper
AA, TWA, USA, and AWA. I look foward to seeing how the single list works out.
08-01-2013, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cactusmike
Eagle Pilots, USAPA is coming to rescue you. Really. Yes, they are. They have your interests fully in mind and there is no law they will acknowledge and abide by if it interferes in any way with their, I mean your, goals. Rejoice! Your savior is here!
I assume helping the wholly owned is helping all mainline pilots since it prevents some outsource whipsawing. Which of course will lower the bar for all pilots. The more the regionals get help from mainline guys the better.
08-01-2013, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity
Hey at least they did something. More than ALPA is doing for us.
I assume helping the wholly owned is helping all mainline pilots since it prevents some outsource whipsawing. Which of course will lower the bar for all pilots. The more the regionals get help from mainline guys the better.
I assume helping the wholly owned is helping all mainline pilots since it prevents some outsource whipsawing. Which of course will lower the bar for all pilots. The more the regionals get help from mainline guys the better.
USAPA could help Nuns push orphan babies across the street and some west would find fault.
I'm not privy to USAPA's intentions, but the whole regional feed question is a big unknown.
08-01-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity
Hey at least they did something. More than ALPA is doing for us.
I assume helping the wholly owned is helping all mainline pilots since it prevents some outsource whipsawing. Which of course will lower the bar for all pilots. The more the regionals get help from mainline guys the better.
I assume helping the wholly owned is helping all mainline pilots since it prevents some outsource whipsawing. Which of course will lower the bar for all pilots. The more the regionals get help from mainline guys the better.
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