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Old 09-25-2013, 11:50 AM
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USAPA's Writ of Mandamus was denied today.
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Old 11-15-2013, 08:01 PM
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The MOU doesn't complete and trigger the Nic. It's clear as day. From US management in response to protest filed by west pilots:

204. In August, 2013, in response to Section 22.C protests filed by Phoenix-based

pilots , US Airways stated as follows:

This will acknowledge receipt of the letter of protest you filed pursuant

to Section 22.C of the America West Pilots' Collective Bargaining

Agreement concerning the July 1, 2013 seniority list posted by the

Company. In that protest, you contend that the Company is obligated to

implement the Nicolau Award as soon as the MTA/MOU becomes

effective. That contention is meritless, and your protest must be denied.

Section 22.C of the America West Pilots' Collective Bargaining

Agreement only applies to disputes regarding a West Pilot's seniority

relative to other West Pilots as set forth on the West Pilots seniority list.

Challenges to the East/West integrated seniority list, which will be

created after there has been a merger and the federally-required

McCaskill-Bond seniority integration process has been completed, are

beyond the scope of Section 22.C.

Moreover, even if the Section 22.C process applied to disputes regarding

the future East/West integrated seniority list, your claim that the

MTA/MOU amounts to a single labor agreement obligating the

Company to apply the Nicolau Award immediately is contrary to the

express provision in the Transition Agreement (Section XII) that any

of the Transition Agreement's provisions "[m]ay be modified by written

agreement of the Association and the Airline Parties collectively."

By its terms, the MOU constitutes a written agreement between USAPA

and the Company which modifies the provisions of the Transition

Agreement relating to implementation of an integrated seniority list.

Paragraph 10.h. of the MOU specifies that "US Airways agrees that

neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for

changing the seniority list currently in effect at US Airways other than

through the process set forth in this Paragraph 10." The Paragraph 10

process provides for seniority-list integration in accordance with the

standards and procedures of the federal McCaskill-Bond law, and that

process will not even begin until after the merger has been

consummated. Modifying the seniority lists immediately, as you have

requested, would violate the MTA/MOU.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:08 AM
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The west claim the fabled kirby proposal would pay the same or close to the mou. Decide for yourself.

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAASect...any-5-8-07.pdf

Proposed May '07 So say it went into effect '08. Grp II f/o in '12 would pay 100/hr. doubtful a new contract would be had in 2 yrs and doubtful there would be a 20% raise to match mou '14 pay.

In exchange for a 15/hr pay raise over 4 years, scope would have been gutted, snap back pay provisions would have been lost etc etc

I think the mou was a better deal in the long run.

These millions the west speaks of sounds like our old Davey Dollars.

Under the Kirby we would have seen the following raises by year.

08 11k
09 11k
11 12k
12 13k
13 15k

A total of 62k by end of '12. Then another 60k by end of '16
Total of 122k.

MOU on the other hand:

'13 30k
'14 40k
'15 41k
'16 52k

So 163k by end of '16 an extra 40k. (Oh and the 40million signing bonus)

Not to mention, we actually got something for the Change of Control provisions, scope etc etc.

And biggest of all.....the NIC is not in effect, so those long time downgraded f/o's are capturing their Capt seats, from the EAST retirements that are occuring. And the West gets to keep their retirements.....

Seems fair.
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Old 11-16-2013, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by crzipilot View Post
The west claim the fabled kirby proposal would pay the same or close to the mou. Decide for yourself.

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAASect...any-5-8-07.pdf

Proposed May '07 So say it went into effect '08. Grp II f/o in '12 would pay 100/hr. doubtful a new contract would be had in 2 yrs and doubtful there would be a 20% raise to match mou '14 pay.

In exchange for a 15/hr pay raise over 4 years, scope would have been gutted, snap back pay provisions would have been lost etc etc

I think the mou was a better deal in the long run.

These millions the west speaks of sounds like our old Davey Dollars.

Under the Kirby we would have seen the following raises by year.

08 11k
09 11k
11 12k
12 13k
13 15k

A total of 62k by end of '12. Then another 60k by end of '16
Total of 122k.

MOU on the other hand:

'13 30k
'14 40k
'15 41k
'16 52k

So 163k by end of '16 an extra 40k. (Oh and the 40million signing bonus)

Not to mention, we actually got something for the Change of Control provisions, scope etc etc.

And biggest of all.....the NIC is not in effect, so those long time downgraded f/o's are capturing their Capt seats, from the EAST retirements that are occuring. And the West gets to keep their retirements.....

Seems fair.
Man you guys are idiots, how can you show people those numbers and not feel shame for how much you have cost this group? That money from 2007 is gone idiot.
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
Man you guys are idiots, how can you show people those numbers and not feel shame for how much you have cost this group? That money from 2007 is gone idiot.
Right over your head. Take the Nic blinders off man1
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:41 PM
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"The West Pilot Plaintiffs support US Airways’ motion for summary judgment on
Claim Four. That said, now that the Court has heard the evidence and had the opportunity to weigh credibility of witnesses, the West Pilots prefer that the Court provide relief on that basis and not as a pure matter of law."

Yeah judge, ignore that whole law thingy.
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:00 PM
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Hey WD,

In the other thread you called DCA321 ungrateful. Is he supposed to be grateful for you? I think that is your problem, you think you are owed something. If anyone should be grateful it's you.
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
Man you guys are idiots, how can you show people those numbers and not feel shame for how much you have cost this group? That money from 2007 is gone idiot.

And you can't see that by end of year '16 I will make MORE $$$$ wise than the kirby proposal? In addition to gaining sooooo much more in QOL issues not having the NIC around?

I'm the idiot? No, I can see it clearly.....
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Originally Posted by crzipilot View Post
And you can't see that by end of year '16 I will make MORE $$$$ wise than the kirby proposal? In addition to gaining sooooo much more in QOL issues not having the NIC around?

I'm the idiot? No, I can see it clearly.....
Yeah not getting paid much more for the last 6 years was a good thing for you. Idiots
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Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
"The West Pilot Plaintiffs support US Airways’ motion for summary judgment on
Claim Four. That said, now that the Court has heard the evidence and had the opportunity to weigh credibility of witnesses, the West Pilots prefer that the Court provide relief on that basis and not as a pure matter of law."

Yeah judge, ignore that whole law thingy.
The law say a union majority gets to decide seniority? Better not let the apa know.
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