American interviews and class dates
12-03-2013, 04:41 PM
#371
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Friend stopped by and asked a couple of questions. Indoc is 4/2, 4/2. First couple of days(2?) with wife. Nice hotel.
Day 1(??) is when equipment is offered.
GS training is the same for everyone, 8-12 days GS, 10 sims(last 2 checks).
AB is 'distance learning'. Study at home with online system, get several day review/pump up in DFW, and off to sims you go. Distance learning is coming to all fleets in the future.
757/767 school is tough. Basic airplane makes sense BUT there are tons of differences. 737 has a couple of differences, HUD, interior, but it's much less than the 757/767. 757/767 has three airframes, three engines, two different FMC's, two instrument panels, ER or just overwater, and keeping track of the various combinations in GS kills brain cells. But it's great flying.
Day 1(??) is when equipment is offered.
GS training is the same for everyone, 8-12 days GS, 10 sims(last 2 checks).
AB is 'distance learning'. Study at home with online system, get several day review/pump up in DFW, and off to sims you go. Distance learning is coming to all fleets in the future.
757/767 school is tough. Basic airplane makes sense BUT there are tons of differences. 737 has a couple of differences, HUD, interior, but it's much less than the 757/767. 757/767 has three airframes, three engines, two different FMC's, two instrument panels, ER or just overwater, and keeping track of the various combinations in GS kills brain cells. But it's great flying.
How does the -80 school house compare to those mentioned above? Thanks for the info.
12-03-2013, 06:07 PM
#372
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Havn't done the S80 this century so the opinion is dated. Yeah...getting old. ;-)
J/S on it. Fly with guys that came off it. Used to fly it. I'd say it's probably the easiest school we have. A/P and FMC are more basic, less automatic systems, less back up systems, fewer differences(except for 737 fleet) so the learning curve is easier(IMO).
J/S on it. Fly with guys that came off it. Used to fly it. I'd say it's probably the easiest school we have. A/P and FMC are more basic, less automatic systems, less back up systems, fewer differences(except for 737 fleet) so the learning curve is easier(IMO).
12-03-2013, 06:14 PM
#373
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Just to be clear, don't have an aneurysm if you get the 75/76. It's about 100 times better than getting the 72--which almost everybody used to get--plus, the variety of flying out of MIA is probably without equal in the commercial world. Commuters especially love it.
12-03-2013, 07:17 PM
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Regards the -80 and it's place on the difficulty scale... for those coming off a newer gen flight deck, avoid the -80. It is an old fashion DC-9 (not a bad thing) with enough trans-generation auto-flight to make one understand why M-D went away. Who would come up with a mode control panel with TWO speed knobs?? I only spent 6 weeks on it and that was about 10 too many if you count ground school.
Regarding the complications of the 757/767 differences, true. The guys teaching have been dealing with that since the days those aircraft were new and have the gouge down pat.
Just talked to a flow-thru who's between sim and IOE and he related that the only trouble any guys around him had was on the 737. One extra sim ride and on his way to IOE.
Latest trend has been everyone to MIA where they have no -80s. If LGA comes back into play, then -80s might be in, too. If you're compelled to log some time in a old model of a type that is older (1965) than you are, go for it.
I prefer the 757. For those coming off avionics similar to the EMB-145 you'll be right at home with the 757/767 flat screens.
My 2 cents.
Regarding the complications of the 757/767 differences, true. The guys teaching have been dealing with that since the days those aircraft were new and have the gouge down pat.
Just talked to a flow-thru who's between sim and IOE and he related that the only trouble any guys around him had was on the 737. One extra sim ride and on his way to IOE.
Latest trend has been everyone to MIA where they have no -80s. If LGA comes back into play, then -80s might be in, too. If you're compelled to log some time in a old model of a type that is older (1965) than you are, go for it.
I prefer the 757. For those coming off avionics similar to the EMB-145 you'll be right at home with the 757/767 flat screens.
My 2 cents.
12-03-2013, 07:21 PM
#375
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Originally Posted by TXHillCountry
Regards the -80 and it's place on the difficulty scale... for those coming off a newer gen flight deck, avoid the -80. It is an old fashion DC-9 (not a bad thing) with enough trans-generation auto-flight to make one understand why M-D went away. Who would come up with a mode control panel with TWO speed knobs?? I only spent 6 weeks on it and that was about 10 too many if you count ground school.
Regarding the complications of the 757/767 differences, true. The guys teaching have been dealing with that since the days those aircraft were new and have the gouge down pat.
Just talked to a flow-thru who's between sim and IOE and he related that the only trouble any guys around him had was on the 737. One extra sim ride and on his way to IOE.
Latest trend has been everyone to MIA where they have no -80s. If LGA comes back into play, then -80s might be in, too. If you're compelled to log some time in a old model of a type that is older (1965) than you are, go for it.
I prefer the 757. For those coming off avionics similar to the EMB-145 you'll be right at home with the 757/767 flat screens.
My 2 cents.
Regarding the complications of the 757/767 differences, true. The guys teaching have been dealing with that since the days those aircraft were new and have the gouge down pat.
Just talked to a flow-thru who's between sim and IOE and he related that the only trouble any guys around him had was on the 737. One extra sim ride and on his way to IOE.
Latest trend has been everyone to MIA where they have no -80s. If LGA comes back into play, then -80s might be in, too. If you're compelled to log some time in a old model of a type that is older (1965) than you are, go for it.
I prefer the 757. For those coming off avionics similar to the EMB-145 you'll be right at home with the 757/767 flat screens.
My 2 cents.
12-03-2013, 07:45 PM
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No. Not all 757/767 are converted. The 767-200s are said to be retired by a year from now and are not updated. Not sure the number of flat screens vs. CRT 'classics.' I know those numbers are available somewhere, though not sure the numbers really matter. Unlike the early phase-in (circa 2008/09?) you catch a flat screen often enough to stay comfortable.
I think we all understand the difference between legal and comfortable. But that's another topic, huh?
I think we all understand the difference between legal and comfortable. But that's another topic, huh?
Last edited by TXHillCountry; 12-03-2013 at 07:59 PM. Reason: added info
12-03-2013, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
Yeah, just one memory procedure, but there are hundreds of memory items, lights, switches, flows, and callouts to memorize. AB school is not a breeze (as appears to be suggested by "one memory item).
12-03-2013, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot X
AB school is not a breeze coming from the Boeing.... However, it isn't all that hard coming from previous glass
12-04-2013, 05:17 AM
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Wow all this talk about AA's training programs being difficult, the airplanes being hard to learn, etc.
Maybe the training department needs a flush. Its learning how to fly a jet from point A to point B, not how to fly the Space Shuttle to go dock with the ISS. It isn't supposed to be hard if you're taught well.
Maybe the training department needs a flush. Its learning how to fly a jet from point A to point B, not how to fly the Space Shuttle to go dock with the ISS. It isn't supposed to be hard if you're taught well.
12-04-2013, 06:00 AM
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I'm in the middle of recurrent training. Some tidbits I've picked up...
"We have 9,756 applications on file; something like 5,000 in the first 48 hours. All newbies up until Jan 7th will be returnees and Eagle flowbees. That date (Jan 7th) will see the start of the first street hires"
The obvious implication: Be patient. Of those 9,000 apps, I'm guessing a lot of them are fully qualified folk. To get into one of the first few classes is a bit like a lotto win. Luck will be involved.
And...
"One of the very first new pilots to be offered a job is the son of Tom McGuiness, FO of flight 11 on 9/11"
"The Airbus section of the school house will be more or less taken over by US, and there is currently a bit of a power struggle going on for the remainder." This was not popular to hear. AA has it's institutional issues, but we have some truly excellent people who head up the training department, and the school house is not an AA weakness. Hopefully, things will not get ugly, but when there are jobs at stake, there's going to be conflict.
"We have 9,756 applications on file; something like 5,000 in the first 48 hours. All newbies up until Jan 7th will be returnees and Eagle flowbees. That date (Jan 7th) will see the start of the first street hires"
The obvious implication: Be patient. Of those 9,000 apps, I'm guessing a lot of them are fully qualified folk. To get into one of the first few classes is a bit like a lotto win. Luck will be involved.
And...
"One of the very first new pilots to be offered a job is the son of Tom McGuiness, FO of flight 11 on 9/11"
"The Airbus section of the school house will be more or less taken over by US, and there is currently a bit of a power struggle going on for the remainder." This was not popular to hear. AA has it's institutional issues, but we have some truly excellent people who head up the training department, and the school house is not an AA weakness. Hopefully, things will not get ugly, but when there are jobs at stake, there's going to be conflict.
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