That's really is it. I just want to ask when he was in indoc for both AE and then AA.... Seems simple enough to then be able to understand his point of view. Without that it's hard to even give him any credit on topics especially this SLI stuff...

 

Really ? I can't recall any such admissions. But what would it matter ? I could provide you with the identity information you seek, but it wouldn't make me more credible with you guys as you'll never accept that. All it would do is just give you more ammo for harangue.

Once again, lets park your obsessions and end the bash eaglefly hijack. It doesn't matter what any of us think about SLI as none of us will determine it. Feel free to continue to despise me though.

 

Yes, I'm presently under the bed with the cat. Since I'm so cagey and evasive, why not just write me off and ignore me. We'd ALL be much happier.

 

It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.

 

Ouch.........that hurts.

Who is arguing ? I find it funny I'm attacked (unprovoked BTW) for being evasive by people evasive themselves about their true motive. We both know what you want, especially you and the fisherman. I'm sorry, but I'm not a Steelhead and although it's not my intention to frustrate either of you, I'm not capitulating into being bullied into taking your bait.

Last word is yours.

 

I don't think there are any flows, both on the Eagle and PSA/PDT side, who are actually arguing for their DOH at their respective Express carrier to be their mainline DOH. A few LUS guys are making a mountain out of nothing.

There were a few guys on the Eagle side who got AA DOH/class dates and didn't attend training on that date, but they have been given that date due to some sort of lawsuit or legal action, and have been slotted in with the AA new hires at that time. IIRC part of the SLI is that you can't rearrange seniority lists on the respective properties so any heartburn from the LUS is wasted effort and a horrible use of TUMS.

If anything the Eagle guys are getting screwed because of their age, they might get 10-15 years out of the deal if they are lucky, where most of us LUS guys are going to have ~35 year careers if all goes well. We're going to be running this joint when everyone retires...for once try to appreciate where you are and what you have!

 

Just a little clarification if I may;

The Eagle/AA flows you speak of (Supplement W) range across the bottom half of the pre-merger LAA seniority list (or close to it) and some are now captains. All these pilots were slotted in according to the terms of the agreement, not a lawsuit or legal action. They were assigned their AA seniority upon completion of RJ captain training. In order to be slotted in where they were, there had to actually be a training class to put them in. They were (are) to be treated no differently then anyone in the training class they were assigned. The flip side is they were withheld 18-24 months per the agreement and 9/11 and other factors resulted in most waiting a lot longer. Nothing more, nothing less.

Personally, I think third-listers should consider me one of the most favored LAA flow-thru's career wise as I plan on retiring at or not much after 60 and almost certainly wont be bidding any Group IV captains slots (I might not even make Group II depending upon the ISL). At my age, I'm not even a blip on virtually any third-listers career radar. In reality, to put us ALL below ALL third-listers on the ISL would require being plucked and stapled (which is close to what the East proposal does) out of pre-merger seniority.

Supposedly, that has never nor will it happen here. But this is all semantics. Your second sentence is correct in that he point of this latest assault is not about me generating any "credibility" with these few who would never award me that regardless of what I say..........heck, even if I did throw some data out there, who could say that's honest when you're already proclaimed a stupid liar misrepresenting yourself ? Nor is this really about an issue that none of us can influence at this point anyway. That is all subterfuge as it really is about identity and obtaining that for the purposes of further assault. Also nothing more, nothing less. I've washed my hands with them and they have the final wor.........er, attack between us.

 

Probably not much. Improve your resume. Make sure your resume reflects the information they want. I, and others, often recommend getting a 121 job if you can. You'll learn the civilian/121 side of the business.
Apply to everyone, even your 8th choice. You don't pick them, they pick you. #1-7 might not like you so 'love the one you're with.'

 

AE f/t's have their position on the AA seniority list.
Your opinion as to where they should be is worthless.

 

I think it's chicken sh*t that he won't mention his AE/AA hire into. It would help put his pontificating in perspective or the trash bin.

But his DOH has NOTHING to do with his SLI place. Nada. Zip. He's number X and the arbitrators will evaluate everyone and X might do better, or worse, with the arbs trying to balance the significant variables that affect 13,000 pilots.