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Old 06-11-2016 | 08:04 PM
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The reserve proration table in the PBS appendix...

Let's say you wanted to take 4 days of mil leave in a 30 day month, and you wanted to do it by dropping reserve duty periods rather than on your off days. You will loose 1/18th of your gaurentee per day you drop, which is fine. But, if you look at the proration table, you will only be available to the company for 26 days, so you'll only get 10 days off now.

Used to be you'd lose 1/18th your gaurentee per day of mil drop and get your full 12 days off. In that case you'd work 14 days take 4 mil leave (unpaid) and get 12 days off. With the new table (new to LUS at least) you will work 16 days take 4 mil leave (unpaid) and get 10 days off because you are only available 26 days.


The work around is to only use mil leave on days off, and have scheduling move your days off (this is what I do now) but it'd be nice not to have to do that.

I could be wrong about this, but I did lose 4 hours of pay last July for this very thing.
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Old 06-11-2016 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
I don't care about your idenity. You seem to drive a wedge in some of your posts and complain about lack of unity in others. But... The only issue I've ever had was flows (who weren't given a SENIORITY number) thinking time at their regional counted as time at American Airines. We have all been promised things in life that didn't work out. That's all I'll say. I don't want to derail the thread.
Fair enough and my reference to identity obsession wasn't necessarily referring to you. As for wedges, that can also be said to be driven by many here who express opinions others disagree with, which is par for the course in this forum. Others say things I disagree with, but I have no anger for that. I expect it. It seems some find that reality intolerable though. Soon the arbitrators will decide what they feel is valid or not when considering pre-merger arguments and then we will better know what is valid or not in that respect by the only opinions that really count. We can still debate it though, but you're right on the thread topic point.
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Old 06-12-2016 | 06:53 PM
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Fair enough and my reference to identity obsession wasn't necessarily referring to you. As for wedges, that can also be said to be driven by many here who express opinions others disagree with, which is par for the course in this forum. Others say things I disagree with, but I have no anger for that. I expect it. It seems some find that reality intolerable though. Soon the arbitrators will decide what they feel is valid or not when considering pre-merger arguments and then we will better know what is valid or not in that respect by the only opinions that really count. We can still debate it though, but you're right on the thread topic point.
He still avoided the here question.... Never said when he was placed in a class at AA to fly AA equipment.... No one care when you were hired at Envoy/Eagle.
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Old 06-12-2016 | 08:10 PM
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He still avoided the here question.... Never said when he was placed in a class at AA to fly AA equipment.... No one care when you were hired at Envoy/Eagle.
Off topic and a wedge.
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Old 06-12-2016 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Off topic and a wedge.
Actually very relative. But hey even the Eagle flows think they're superior. Eaglefly is exactly what's wrong with such.... Probably another guy who thinks he should trump all the LUS guys too

This thread is after all interview and CLASS DATE! Not Eagle class date but LAA/LUS class date to fly mainline equipment.
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Old 06-13-2016 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
When you say "here" what does that mean?
Here means here. At AA. Not at Eagle.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that eaglefly was flying for AA (not AE anymore) when AMR filed for Chapter 11. If so, eaglefly certainly has the right to comment on pre and post Chapter 11 working conditions here at AA, and is not misrepresenting himself and his experience.

That's all.

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Old 06-13-2016 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
Actually very relative. But hey even the Eagle flows think they're superior. Eaglefly is exactly what's wrong with such.... Probably another guy who thinks he should trump all the LUS guys too
Jeez..........the obsession continues. No, I don't think I'm superior to all LUS pilots.

Only you.

Originally Posted by meyers9163
This thread is after all interview and CLASS DATE! Not Eagle class date but LAA/LUS class date to fly mainline equipment.
Letter 3 AA pilots "class date" was that assigned to them when they completed CJ training. That is, after all, how they are ranked among non Letter 3 pilots at pre-merger AA. Of course, they were withheld from their assigned new-hire classes, but their pre-merger relative seniority did not change in the interim. I don't know why you have twisted yourself into a pretzel over this as the arbitrators will decide what is appropriate regarding this issue and not those who think others superior or inferior.

You should be confident the arbitrators will stomp those evil LAA flow-thu's into the bottom of the ISL and so you should be of good cheer. Your victorious annihilation of the evil hordes is almost at hand !

It should be a joyous time for you.
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Old 06-13-2016 | 02:32 AM
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Again simple questions you refuse to answer... I have no dog in the SLI fight. However flows from Eagle should never be above our AWA/LUS guys on the combined list....

Again when were you placed in a class at AA would satisfy a simple question that some have asked you....
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Old 06-13-2016 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
Again simple questions you refuse to answer... I have no dog in the SLI fight. However flows from Eagle should never be above our AWA/LUS guys on the combined list....

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So those folks' contractual rights should be ignored?

Because why?
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Old 06-13-2016 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
The reserve proration table in the PBS appendix...

Let's say you wanted to take 4 days of mil leave in a 30 day month, and you wanted to do it by dropping reserve duty periods rather than on your off days. You will loose 1/18th of your gaurentee per day you drop, which is fine. But, if you look at the proration table, you will only be available to the company for 26 days, so you'll only get 10 days off now.



Used to be you'd lose 1/18th your gaurentee per day of mil drop and get your full 12 days off. In that case you'd work 14 days take 4 mil leave (unpaid) and get 12 days off. With the new table (new to LUS at least) you will work 16 days take 4 mil leave (unpaid) and get 10 days off because you are only available 26 days.


The work around is to only use mil leave on days off, and have scheduling move your days off (this is what I do now) but it'd be nice not to have to do that.

I could be wrong about this, but I did lose 4 hours of pay last July for this very thing.
Ahh the hidden joys of PBS and the proration table.
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