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Originally Posted by flybywire44
(Post 1670771)
If APA had such a strong case they would not need to make these types of announcements.
I'm waiting for arbitration/litigation to progress a Protocol Agreement. There is nothing to discus until we get some direction from a "higher power." Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk B u l l s e y e. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1670797)
... They've now publicly stated their beliefs and intentions ... so it seems pretty difficult to then go back on their public word.
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1670797)
Why couldn't the West put forth the Nic or the East put forth DOH if they so choose ? What exactly prevents that ?
... You seem to be advocating certain arguments are off limits and that is not in accordance with a free and open process. I thought USAPA wanted a free and open process ?
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1670797)
there is risk in getting too greedy with arbitrators. Didn't the East learn that the hard way once before ?
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1670797)
As long as the Nic is off limits, the West is mute (and moot) and the process is dead until a black robe revives it.
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Possibly we can argue who has the oldest flight attendants on their trips?!?!
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Fellow Pilots,
“Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.” John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address By now, you have probably read the USAPA Merger Committee’s June 20 update on the Protocol Agreement and APA’s response to it. As pilots, you have witnessed many contract negotiations over the years and the occasional hyperbolic language that sometimes accompanies it. What we’re seeing now is no exception. Hyperbole can be dangerous. Hyperbolic language between Kennedy and Khrushchev at the Vienna Summit in 1961 escalated a year later into the Cuban Missile Crisis. For the month of October in 1962 the world believed that the two super powers would most certainly be going to war. Thankfully a truce ensued, and paradoxically, the Cuban Missile Crisis led to an immediate improvement in US-Soviet relations. USAPA is committed to representing the interests of all of our pilots in the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process. That means protecting their rights under McCaskill-Bond, leading to a fair and equitable SLI through a neutral arbitration process. The Officers, the BPR, and our pilots fully support our Merger Committee. We are committed to working with the APA and have attempted to secure a fair Protocol Agreement for quite some time. We will not tire until the job is done. Yesterday I asked the APA leadership to meet with USAPA to negotiate a fair Protocol Agreement. I await their response in good faith and refrain from any additional rhetoric. Only with a fair agreement can we withdraw the pending McCaskill-Bond Injunction action. We will not waive our rights under McCaskill-Bond and look forward to reaching an agreement that fully protects the rights of ALL pilots until the SLI is complete. It’s time to end the hyperbole and disarm the missiles. Our Merger Committee stands ready for détente. Regards, Gary Hummel, President |
Was McCaskill Bond agreed to in the MOU?
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Originally Posted by algflyr
(Post 1670844)
Really? What the APA put out today was purely a negotiating strategy... If they decide to take another direction, don't think they will even think: but we already said something else publicly, were committed to what we said...
Originally Posted by algflyr
(Post 1670844)
The bottom line is that the Nic came with certain conditions that must be met before it could be implemented. Those conditions were never met. That's why the Nic isn't being used by the company... for anything... If an arbitrator was to somehow impose the Nic now, they would be over-ruling the conditions that were needed for the award to be imposed. The Nic came with the caveat that the East (and West) must vote on it to approve it. Using it now without a vote would go against the very legal process that created it in the first place.
Originally Posted by algflyr
(Post 1670844)
Indeed. I for one was amazed that East ALPA didn't come off their DOH mantra once the arbitrator said it wouldn't fly... I also think that's why the Nic is punitive against the East. Definitely a bad move by East ALPA... I think the whole industry learned from that mistake.
Originally Posted by algflyr
(Post 1670844)
We all have to play the hand we were dealt. It may very well take a "black robe" to finally get this entire mess behind us... Either way, I will be glad when it's finally over... :) What will we argue about then??
USAPA isn't playing the hand they were dealt now. They sat down at the table, signed the MOU and now want to knock over the table once AA pilots staked the East with pay and pension raises. They sat down at a different table before with Nicolau and when they decided their hand wouldn't win then, they knocked over that table too. I too hope for a quick resolution and that involves a judge driving a stake through the heart of USAPA. |
Fellow Pilots, “Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.” John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address By now, you have probably read the USAPA Merger Committee’s June 20 update on the Protocol Agreement and APA’s response to it. As pilots, you have witnessed many contract negotiations over the years and the occasional hyperbolic language that sometimes accompanies it. What we’re seeing now is no exception. Hyperbole can be dangerous. Hyperbolic language between Kennedy and Khrushchev at the Vienna Summit in 1961 escalated a year later into the Cuban Missile Crisis. For the month of October in 1962 the world believed that the two super powers would most certainly be going to war. Thankfully a truce ensued, and paradoxically, the Cuban Missile Crisis led to an immediate improvement in US-Soviet relations. USAPA is committed to representing the interests of all of our pilots in the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process. That means protecting their rights under McCaskill-Bond, leading to a fair and equitable SLI through a neutral arbitration process. The Officers, the BPR, and our pilots fully support our Merger Committee. We are committed to working with the APA and have attempted to secure a fair Protocol Agreement for quite some time. We will not tire until the job is done. Yesterday I asked the APA leadership to meet with USAPA to negotiate a fair Protocol Agreement. I await their response in good faith and refrain from any additional rhetoric. Only with a fair agreement can we withdraw the pending McCaskill-Bond Injunction action. We will not waive our rights under McCaskill-Bond and look forward to reaching an agreement that fully protects the rights of ALL pilots until the SLI is complete. It’s time to end the hyperbole and disarm the missiles. Our Merger Committee stands ready for détente. Regards, Gary Hummel, President Negotiating with wolves with aimed missiles has very poor prospects. Again, I think the most prudent move now is for a coalition to disarm the wolves by annihilation. Hopefully, only one more judge will be needed to make that coalition effective and complete. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 1671273)
Was McCaskill Bond agreed to in the MOU?
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1671297)
Comrade Hummel is a character, no doubt. I especially like the baseless claim that "USAPA is committed to representing the interests of all of our pilots....". This is laughable to most, considering their past and present actions. Personally, I see this statement as.......well, simply rhetoric. USAPA's placement of their missiles was done on the sly as they were acting as sheep prior to the MOU signing and then once signed, the sheep pelt immediately came off and the wolf was once again in full view.
Negotiating with wolves with aimed missiles has very poor prospects. Again, I think the most prudent move now is for a coalition to disarm the wolves by annihilation. Hopefully, only one more judge will be needed to make that coalition effective and complete. :rolleyes: USAPA isn't a Cold War era Superpower rather a banana republic. |
Let me get this straight, the President of USAPA just compared the negotiations of two pilot groups to that of a nuclear crisis, between 2 superpowers, that COULD HAVE ENDED THE WORLD. Holy ****, now I've seen it all. Talk about a simile that is an epic failure. That's either a big stretch or a big head.....your call. This is a serious disgrace, to reply in this manner to APA's most recent communication regarding the PROTOCOL AGREEMENT! Again, a PROTOCOL AGREEMENT! There is no counter to APA statements, nor a rebuttal of their facts. It comes off a desperate pep assembly speech for a team that has no chance of winning. Very sad display....
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