Paying what you can hold not what you fly?
07-15-2014 | 09:30 PM
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Playing devil's advocate here, but it's always been a matter of productivity. Faster, heavier, more costly aircraft equaling more liability/ responsibility, together with international flying around the clock in a riskier environment. I would rather have the more experienced crews dealing with that. Like the Europeans though, I'd
Much rather fly domestic short haul. Having done both, it's much easier physically, mentally, and a whole lot more fun IMO.
Much rather fly domestic short haul. Having done both, it's much easier physically, mentally, and a whole lot more fun IMO.
07-16-2014 | 08:17 AM
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The solution to this is simple. Instead of calling it "pay based on what you can hold", call what it is. "No pay differential for equipment". Pay is based on seat and longevity and nothing more. The company actually loves this because guys stop chasing airplanes with a higher pay rate (reducing long course training) and pigeon hole themselves where they want to be. Of course other airlines go crazy because you end up with some pilots who are junior flying wide bodies at their lower hourly rate and that's viewed as "lowering the bar".
This is what happened at AWA. If you had to tell guys you flew a 757 to Hawaii, that's what you did. It you were a QOL guy, you flew the 737 up and down the West coast. Everybody else fit in the middle flying the Airbus...and it drove other airline pilots nuts.
This is what happened at AWA. If you had to tell guys you flew a 757 to Hawaii, that's what you did. It you were a QOL guy, you flew the 737 up and down the West coast. Everybody else fit in the middle flying the Airbus...and it drove other airline pilots nuts.
07-16-2014 | 03:22 PM
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07-16-2014 | 05:03 PM
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It so cool to see new guys re-invent the wheel! I wish I were as smart as the rest of you.
When FedEx had it, it was called "seat pay". As an bargaining tool, it works great. You can't get higher pay from your legacy carrier; so, you go for seat pay. Then you can't higher pay from your air parcel company; so, you go back to equipment pay.
You know what, maybe you should all sit down and figure out, how to out think management; instead, of re-inventing the wheel.
Biggie
When FedEx had it, it was called "seat pay". As an bargaining tool, it works great. You can't get higher pay from your legacy carrier; so, you go for seat pay. Then you can't higher pay from your air parcel company; so, you go back to equipment pay.
You know what, maybe you should all sit down and figure out, how to out think management; instead, of re-inventing the wheel.
Biggie
07-16-2014 | 06:01 PM
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I thought that since AWA had one rate that management might want that for the JCBA at the new US, but the Kirby didn't propose that. Maybe it doesn't make as much financial sense with multiple fleet types?
07-16-2014 | 07:27 PM
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It's clearly to the company's advantage to have as little training as possible. All of the 330 CA retirements have to hurt based on how many training events that triggers. I don't know if longevity pay is necessarily the solution, but I wonder if the company would be willing to incentivize staying in a given seat for longer with some kind of bonus money?
07-16-2014 | 08:10 PM
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The only thing better then a single track pay scale is a group of pilots fighting amongst themselves to fly at the cheapest pay rate. It's a management team's dream. Maybe we'll be smarter in this merger.
07-17-2014 | 09:21 PM
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I agree the company is the master of pitting pilots against each other and the main architect of that came along with the merger. Whether that is the purpose of pay groups, I don't know.
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