AAL submits proposal
#112
I'm smug, but it's not a happy smug.
I'm right there with Eaglefly on the initial impression that the offer seemed like it might be in the realm of fairness. Five hours in, when we got (as Paul Harvey liked to say, 'the REST of the story') I had to laugh. Eh, they had me going....for five hours.
The chance this turd gets squeezed out onto a contract near you is essentially zero.
Relax, fellas.
I'm right there with Eaglefly on the initial impression that the offer seemed like it might be in the realm of fairness. Five hours in, when we got (as Paul Harvey liked to say, 'the REST of the story') I had to laugh. Eh, they had me going....for five hours.
The chance this turd gets squeezed out onto a contract near you is essentially zero.
Relax, fellas.
#113
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I was in attendance for our DFW Domicile meeting this past Monday. It was great to see the hall full of people that were dead set against scope. Hearing it from 777 Capt's who at the twighlight of their careers could give a crap about it made me feel better about where the membership is on this issue (not just the jr folks). Scope is DOA here...any form of it.
#114
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OK, I like the way you think, but......... APA already bargained everything away. The industry leading leftovers of the AWA contract (yes, I know there wasn't much) and the remaining good things of legacy US..... GONE, or at least soon to be. Trip duty rigs, IVR jump seat system, LTD, etc, etc. Buh bye. They also agreed to binding arbitration, so if we turn this down, how do you think we'll fair with an arbitrator? Don't get me wrong, I'm thankfull for the merger and understand the APA wanting to get rid of Horton, but we won't be matching you for a long time. Could you walk in my resume?
The company has ALWAYS been..."you want something, give us something in return or we just go to arbitration where you get less....probably." The reason for Jerry Glass's return is in preparation for arbitration. First with the F/A's and next with us.
You can say holdout on scope until 2019 under the CBA but rest assured the company will be ready for us.
If some of you are considering job action, you better rethink you're future because the law (as it stands today, anyway) will not support you. The courts have ruled in both USAPA's, APA's and Delta's cases that you WILL BE FINED and held in contempt of court if you do.
The West pilots were more than willing to turn in ANY East pilot whom they thought were doing a job action and their former MEC Chairman even asked Parker on company video how they could report them for it.
You can't trust the pilots of APA (new or old) do do anything....why jeopardize YOUR job? That's the reality.
#118
Or we can keep rolling over on scope until all domestic flying is done by regional carriers. How do you suppose that'll effect our operation, and more specifically, our careers?
#119
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There it is. If you are an American pilot...finally someone who comes to the realization of the reality of the MOU. Remember, you voted for it.
The company has ALWAYS been..."you want something, give us something in return or we just go to arbitration where you get less....probably." The reason for Jerry Glass's return is in preparation for arbitration. First with the F/A's and next with us.
You can say holdout on scope until 2019 under the CBA but rest assured the company will be ready for us.
If some of you are considering job action, you better rethink you're future because the law (as it stands today, anyway) will not support you. The courts have ruled in both USAPA's, APA's and Delta's cases that you WILL BE FINED and held in contempt of court if you do.
The West pilots were more than willing to turn in ANY East pilot whom they thought were doing a job action and their former MEC Chairman even asked Parker on company video how they could report them for it.
You can't trust the pilots of APA (new or old) do do anything....why jeopardize YOUR job? That's the reality.
The company has ALWAYS been..."you want something, give us something in return or we just go to arbitration where you get less....probably." The reason for Jerry Glass's return is in preparation for arbitration. First with the F/A's and next with us.
You can say holdout on scope until 2019 under the CBA but rest assured the company will be ready for us.
If some of you are considering job action, you better rethink you're future because the law (as it stands today, anyway) will not support you. The courts have ruled in both USAPA's, APA's and Delta's cases that you WILL BE FINED and held in contempt of court if you do.
The West pilots were more than willing to turn in ANY East pilot whom they thought were doing a job action and their former MEC Chairman even asked Parker on company video how they could report them for it.
You can't trust the pilots of APA (new or old) do do anything....why jeopardize YOUR job? That's the reality.
Now when times are good this company proposes to be the only airline except for Spirit to not give employees profit sharing. Does management really think that arbitration is the way to go?
#120
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But his point is that we've already given it to them with the cost neutral arbitration clause.
I really hope that you guys are right about Parker not wanting to go that route. If he doesn't then I think we can work something out. If he doesn't care then that is exactly where we will end up. It's how he's always done it.
The management team has realized that they can't run the new AA like they did the old US with respect to customer service, so maybe they will want to avoid ****ing off the pilots. But, they didn't with the F/As, and they are with the customers all the time.
I really hope that you guys are right about Parker not wanting to go that route. If he doesn't then I think we can work something out. If he doesn't care then that is exactly where we will end up. It's how he's always done it.
The management team has realized that they can't run the new AA like they did the old US with respect to customer service, so maybe they will want to avoid ****ing off the pilots. But, they didn't with the F/As, and they are with the customers all the time.
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