"....some members of the board think that negotiations are over. In reality, they have only begun. Having dealt with this management for almost a decade, negotiations are over when the "final language" is written, management implements their interpretation of what was written, we grieve the issue...(pause as we wait for months and years for the grievance to be heard, rejected, reheard, rejected) and finally reach an arbitrator who sides with the company because the final language was vague or in some other way interpretable in any way but the way in which the pilots interpreted it. Only then do you have final language and a contract. Hundreds of grievances later, we know that this is the case. As you can see, we are a long way from completing negotiations with this management group..."

If we say yes to Parker's asks he will have everything he asked for and we will have zero things we want for the cncessions we are selling. We will have nothing left that wants except SCOPE...

Parker has been saying "No" to us since he was in diapers and we have given him everything he wants, year after year. Decade after decade.

He says no, and yet gets everything... Reconcile that.

We certainly did take math. Obviously you stopped learning at addition and multiplication. You forgot SUBTRACTION (more likely didn't feel it necessary to learn anyway).

This TA is filled to the BRIM with subtraction strategies to turn the pilots initial surplus into a staggering long-term deficit. Trade a measly $1/hour later for MCD ?

You've got to be high on meth !

In 2020, we will ALREADY be far and away the lowest pay rate pilots out there and Parker will laugh louder at us then than he is now.

You've simply GOT to be a management plant coming up with this utter nonsense.

I was first a yes, and now NO. No to concessions and NO for not accepting min day credit. I'll wait for the raise in 2016. Parker, Glass and Kirby - nice try.

Don't confuse 'value' with what you came up with when you multiplied the 'nominal' proposed pay-rate by an assumed number of hours. When you tap away on that calculator you are not determining value, but a number.

True, I don't realize just how many fanciful numbers you came up with on your calculator, but here's something you don't realize, I make plenty of money right now. More money is nice, but it's only marginally nice. I will make even more money with an industry-indexed increase less than 12 months from now while retaining the value of work rules which have not been conceded from the MTA. Thing is, Doug wants some of those work rules out of there and he has yet to offer enough in exchange.

That being said, your $1,800,000,000 is way off. I don't rely on Company valuations, especially when there are certain things that the Company values as 0. Such as employee goodwill... it can't be quantified so it is assigned a value of $0. But keep counting that loose change and tapping away on the calculator.

My fear is that folks (such as yourself) will be voting based on tapping a 3 digit number into a calculator then multiplying it by a two digit number. That's just silly.

I believe that's an ex-PSA pilot(express, not the real PSA) your attempting to reason with.

Since at least 2002 there is nothing that PSA has said 'No' too. They hired them there based on the in-abilty to say 'No', which is the same reason I guess so many now work here.

Congrats on choosing to empower yourself and reject Parker's tyranny.

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They're ill advised for thinking we will accept a sub-par contract! NO to concessions. We will see their executive compensation very soon. When we reject their sub-par offer, they WILL come back to APA and renegotiate. They are morons for thinking we will accept their concessionary contract. We only need to wait a few month for a pay raise.

inline was not a PSA pilot.

Parker Kirby and Glass set a timeline to accept their proposal or go to arbitration. They then extend the deadline after asking APA to extend for 30 days. Afterwards, they tell APA they won't address any of the pilots' concerns and must only address the company's wants. Then, they say the APA must agree to their demands by a certain date and then don't have the final language for their own demands on their own arbitrary fabricated deadline. Then they try and circumvent the union by sending a letter from Kirby to all pilots. I can wait for the pay raise in 2016. Priceless. Vote NO!