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Old 01-28-2015, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Route66 View Post
And so WHY support the NO voters who already GAVE you and I the MOU???
Why is arbitration working out so well (not) for the Pilots?
Why don't we have any leverage?
Why pay the APA for DOING NOTHING?
Why have an APA BOD that bends over?
Why have an APA President that works for the BOD and whose job it is to KISS up to the BOD (and Parker)?
What WILL be telling is Friday when the vote closes.

I'M MAKING A WAGER: I BET THE APA ONLY GIVES US THE VOTE TALLY AND WILL NOT DECLARE WHICH BASE WENT WHICH WAY.
Vote yes if you have no self respect and are willing to give DUI all of his concession demands, while he spends $2,000,000,000.00 on stock buyback but won't spend $80M on industry standard calendar day.

You have self respect or you have a price. Don't blame others for disrespect if you don't have any for yourself.
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Old 01-28-2015, 02:06 PM
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Vote yes if you have no self respect and are willing to give DUI all of his concession demands, while he spends $2,000,000,000.00 on stock buyback but won't spend $80M on industry standard calendar day.

You have self respect or you have a price. Don't blame others for disrespect if you don't have any for yourself.
You see, if it isn't YOUR way then I have NO respect. If it's YOUR way.....I.....HAVE IT??? And since WHEN has money NOT EVER been an issue....EVER???? Every person has their price. EVERYONE. So don't claim to be so righteous and so naive at the same time.
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Old 01-28-2015, 02:09 PM
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To those who are considering following the advice of the CLT and PHL reps, remember: They are complaining about the consequences of a YES vote being trailing the industry and pay and benefits while as USAPA they forced their members to not only fund multiple pointless lawsuits against their own pilots and extorted the highest dues in the industry, they also chose to forgo hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages for their members just to allow a slim percentage of their members to upgrade less than a year sooner than under the NIC.

Choose who you take advice from based on their record.
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Old 01-28-2015, 04:12 PM
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To those who are considering following the advice of the CLT and PHL reps, remember: They are complaining about the consequences of a YES vote being trailing the industry and pay and benefits while as USAPA they forced their members to not only fund multiple pointless lawsuits against their own pilots and extorted the highest dues in the industry, they also chose to forgo hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages for their members just to allow a slim percentage of their members to upgrade less than a year sooner than under the NIC.

Choose who you take advice from based on their record.
We should all carefully read and analyze every detail in the proposal and then make a decision. It should be a decision not based on emotion but only based on what is written and what the future consequences are for a no or yes vote.
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Old 01-28-2015, 04:21 PM
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We should all carefully read and analyze every detail in the proposal and then make a decision. It should be a decision not based on emotion but only based on what is written and what the future consequences are for a no or yes vote.
Great advice, but if you are also listening to the guy that you quoted yesterday that can't figure a 1-3.5 rig, well...
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Old 01-28-2015, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle View Post
Because DUI knew the dumba$$ pilot individualists would give him a much better deal.

"I can't tell you how happy we are to finally have a contract in front of the pilots for their vote. I can't tell you how hard we worked to get a pilot vote. I can't tell you how happy we are that pilots finally get to decide. We are ecstatic!"

~~ Doug "apoplectic happiness" Parker, at CLT CrewNews, repeated multiple times
You are calling guys that would vote yes DA's when just a few weeks ago you thought we were losing all our rigs. Got it.

CLT reps putting Cadillac Tax on the same level as the multi-billion pension grab, and Kirby turned down a guaranteed yes for 10-20 million a year. Got it.
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Old 01-28-2015, 06:40 PM
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I don't know Cuz, I just smell a rat, or two.
Me too. This does not pass the sniff test for sure.
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Old 01-29-2015, 01:41 AM
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Me too. This does not pass the sniff test for sure.
The company is making over $4B a year (and rapidly climbing) and pilots are tripping over themselves to explain away or completely ignore concessions. Meanwhile the company is spending $Billions on stock buy back to inflate management stock bonuses. It's embarrassing how willfully blind some guys are. Just a little.
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle View Post
The company is making over $4B a year (and rapidly climbing) and pilots are tripping over themselves to explain away or completely ignore concessions. Meanwhile the company is spending $Billions on stock buy back to inflate management stock bonuses. It's embarrassing how willfully blind some guys are. Just a little.
Bingo!

This is what I don't understand how so many can not see this and act so blindly! There are no excuses other than greedy pilots who just want a higher paycheck for a few months with no regard for what they are trading away in the long run. Can you say.....short-sighted?
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Old 01-29-2015, 05:49 AM
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Bingo!

This is what I don't understand how so many can not see this and act so blindly! There are no excuses other than greedy pilots who just want a higher paycheck for a few months with no regard for what they are trading away in the long run. Can you say.....short-sighted?
Short-sighted? How about just blind?

Doug insulted and alienated the employees when he stated that they had no impact on profits. It took some communications spin effort to minimize that foot-in-mouth moment.

Then on the earnings conference call just 2 days ago, he states "We are not asking our customers to be happy with anything". The spin-meisters are busy trying to 'contextualize' that freudian slip of Doug's.

The Board of Directors must be scratching their collective heads at what the boy-wonder is up to with their airline.

Apparently there are growing investment community concerns that this merger is rapidly heading the way of United-Continental, rather than Delta-Northwest.

Meanwhile, tomorrow we will find out just how many 'Yes' voters are completely blind to the unprecedented leverage that the pilots now have to determine a better future for themselves, and a better future for the airline they provide their service to.

It seems Doug's team isn't interested in a better future for the airline, it's employees or it's customers, so much as they are interested in driving up the value of their stock options.
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