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06-05-2015, 03:01 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by drinksonme
When the next round of negotiations come it will either be the company coming to us for concessions, or 5 years after 2020 after the company drags out the process as long as possible.
The time for gains is gone. When the company had the money to pay, they played the "not section 6" game. The US economy will be in another recession soon. When the Feds come calling and raise interest rates all bets are off how bad and how long that recession will last. The company will have that for leverage.
Under section 6, even if we are the most profitable we have ever been, barring economic issues, the company will delay delay delay delay, until they either get a recession or payout enough to creditors to show a loss. Then they can cry poor. Then we delay delay delay till times improve and then the company delays and so on and so.
The ship has sailed on big gains. Silver lining, if the economy tanks and they ask for concessions.....we ask for profit sharing
The time for gains is gone. When the company had the money to pay, they played the "not section 6" game. The US economy will be in another recession soon. When the Feds come calling and raise interest rates all bets are off how bad and how long that recession will last. The company will have that for leverage.
Under section 6, even if we are the most profitable we have ever been, barring economic issues, the company will delay delay delay delay, until they either get a recession or payout enough to creditors to show a loss. Then they can cry poor. Then we delay delay delay till times improve and then the company delays and so on and so.
The ship has sailed on big gains. Silver lining, if the economy tanks and they ask for concessions.....we ask for profit sharing
Guess who has a TA before amendable date? Guess who won't get an agreement until at least 2024?
06-05-2015, 11:08 AM
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There's no guarantee they'll vote yes on that TA. And from what I've heard, it'll likely fall short of the pay raise percentage needed to improve our pay rates to equal what our current JCBA provides.
As far as our ship sailing away, it did so well before our JCBA vote. The idea that we were going to gain much by voting no was nothing more than wishful thinking...an illusion of leverage.
When contract openers start down the road, APA needs to figure out what the priorities will be. Parkirby won't let them "have it all".
As far as our ship sailing away, it did so well before our JCBA vote. The idea that we were going to gain much by voting no was nothing more than wishful thinking...an illusion of leverage.
When contract openers start down the road, APA needs to figure out what the priorities will be. Parkirby won't let them "have it all".
06-05-2015, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hueypilot
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When contract openers start down the road, APA needs to figure out what the priorities will be. Parkirby won't let them "have it all".
When contract openers start down the road, APA needs to figure out what the priorities will be. Parkirby won't let them "have it all".
It seems APA is more focused on forcing their punitive tradition upon "newly welcomed pilots" and celebrating it over a $3600 dinner.
What industry-leading contract (total, not only in pay) has APA ever archieved?
06-05-2015, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by redthread
When the economy tanks there won't be any profit to share.
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06-05-2015, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hueypilot
There's no guarantee they'll vote yes on that TA. And from what I've heard, it'll likely fall short of the pay raise percentage needed to improve our pay rates to equal what our current JCBA provides.
06-05-2015, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Arado 234
How much $$$ did the DL pilots get for the 2014 profit sharing?
$3.2 million each.
They still need to get about a 16% pay increase for AA's pay to have reached the current pay rates due to the arbitration process (basically 50% DL and UA pay rates).
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