APA SLI Proposed List
06-25-2015, 11:33 AM
#94
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Man, this thread went to $h(#. I'm surprised that no one is talking about SEATS. American(LAA) can have 2 million pilots on their seniority list but if their butts aren't in seats when the music stops they are out of the game. It's all about the JOBS they bring to the table.
It's not right to steal another pilots job. A Captain in PHL should stay a Captain in PHL. A lineholder should stay a lineholder. APA's list conveniently ignored that logic.
It's not right to steal another pilots job. A Captain in PHL should stay a Captain in PHL. A lineholder should stay a lineholder. APA's list conveniently ignored that logic.
06-25-2015, 11:42 AM
#95
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Originally Posted by MayDaze
...can have 2 million pilots on their seniority list but if their butts aren't in seats when the music stops they are out of the game. It's all about the JOBS they bring to the table.
Honest question...
Was the above not a *significant* sticking point in the East v West SLI - who brought a job to the merger?
06-25-2015, 11:58 AM
#97
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Honest question...
Was the above not a *significant* sticking point in the East v West SLI - who brought a job to the merger?
Was the above not a *significant* sticking point in the East v West SLI - who brought a job to the merger?
Honest answer...
Each pilot group fought for what benefited their pilot group the most and eventually believed in what they were selling. In my opinion, there should have been fences on the widebodies but if a pilot didn't have a job when the merger happened, he shouldn't be awarded someone else's job.
There is more of a paradigm now after Untied and Delta's precedent but in 2005 Nicolau should have put a little more weight into career expectations. Deep down everyone knew date of hire was not fair to the west guys. Some just didn't care.
06-25-2015, 12:17 PM
#98
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Originally Posted by CanoePilot
It's pretty pathetic, they want to slot in at a 1 to 5 the eagle flows that were given class dates AFTER the merger announcement.
They want their furloughs ABOVE a few thousand pre-merger east, west and third listers. The only "AA" guys integrated into the list were the eagle flow hired AFTER the merger.
Not surprised the AAholes are trying to pull their staple job again. Good thing for the rest of us they won't be able to do it this time.
The west proposed list is probably more reality based, at least towards the bottom of the list.
They want their furloughs ABOVE a few thousand pre-merger east, west and third listers. The only "AA" guys integrated into the list were the eagle flow hired AFTER the merger.
Not surprised the AAholes are trying to pull their staple job again. Good thing for the rest of us they won't be able to do it this time.
The west proposed list is probably more reality based, at least towards the bottom of the list.
Their strategy was to put something extreme so that the arbitrators would "meet in the middle" and still give them good seniority.
It ended up failing because their proposal was totally disregarded. We ended up with all pilots being within 5% of their pre-merger Seniority List position so it didn't really matter.
06-25-2015, 12:21 PM
#99
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
I wonder if the arbitrators will take into consideration AA was the one in bankruptcy? I am sure APA used that against their previous merger partners.
Longevity (Years of service at mainline not counting furloughed time)
Status and Category (How many jobs and what seats and sizes of airplanes)
Career Expectations (Fences for aircraft types that don't exist at the other carrier)
Most people wrongly think "career expectations" means "I'm supposed to make Captain in 2 years", but no all that is under status and category and stovepiping is used.
Good luck!
Last edited by pilot64golfer; 06-25-2015 at 12:34 PM.
06-25-2015, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SewerPipeDvr
In a negotiation, you don't start low and then ask for more. You start on the moon and work DOWN.
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