I think it'll closely resemble the AA list. Maybe not quite as severe but something like it. I really think team misfit should get the pure nic. Give them what they richly deserve and a 20 year fence in Phoenix. Since it's so great why would anyone ever want to leave?

 

I think the legacy AA guys will do the best, but still will be ****ed, because it's going to be nowhere near the 75% superiority they want. Nic, no Nic, I really don't know.

 

Assumed the AA/US/AWA guys were all discussing on another board, because in terms of amount of poo slinging per pilot effected, this SLI hearing has to be near the bottom.
At DL/NW SLI arbitration hearings, there were daily testimony synopsis and rebuttals with rebuttals to those rebuttals.
Even the UAL/CAL merger seemed to have a more widespread contention.
Other than a handful (less than a dozen) pilots posting about hearings that will control the destiny of over 13,000 for their careers, this has been a veritable blackout.
Figured that a majority of the discussion was just taking place on a different board.

 

Wasn't 75% seniority based on a pure Nic inclusion ?

No pure Nic, no 75% "superiority" needed. Another reason I think a complete hybrid is on the way. Freund even admitted the arbs had no requirement to first merge the East/West pilots by way of the Nic as a matter of law, only because in the West's opinion it was the most fair and equitable. If not using a pure Nic provides a more fair and equitable final result and they can justify that, it may be the way to go.

If so, it would dilute all three proposals and rebalance the lists in varying degrees at different places, so no real winners or losers, except those who believe their committee's pure proposal was the only fair and equitable one.

 

I'm sure all involved parties read their own representative's interpretations of each day's events. I have no doubt every group said, "We killed that guy on the stand today" and "the arbs totally got it when we ran through our slides". There is no such thing as a neutral party so I'm content to just let the "web experts" explain what's going to happen without responding. While I'm waiting for the results, I read the transcripts and draw my own conclusions about possible outcomes.

 

Just going on transcripts myself as well. I recall reading both some East and West assessments (East reps and Leonidas), but haven't found or read specific comment by AAPSIC on their interpretations of anything outside their testimony. Have I missed something or is there comment by them somewhere in addition to the transcripts ?

 

Most of the guys I fly with feel that the arbitrators will do what they're going to do and that the hearings where just for show. And a pretty boring show at that. So, nothing really worth talking about. Also there's no point in arguing since there's no point in changing anyone's opinion except the arbitrators, and they aren't listening to us. Some folks might have minor curiosity about how other people interpret the likely outcome, but on this board any such discussion will be quickly drowned by 2 or 3 annoying and vocal characters, so, sane people just keep quiet. It's like how that one crazy FA results in a van full of silent pilots not wanting to set anything off.

 

One annoying, vocal character opined how AAPSIC was destroyed in the hearings, but alas here, just like in life, opinions vary and it is indeed a crazy world, especially that of the future AA pilot.

Within a few years, I expect this place to be certifiable. Should be an interesting show that is anything BUT boring.

 

I seriously doubt the NIC will be used in the award. If the west is lucky, they may get some sort of credit.

Not sure how you cam to that conclusion. Without the merger, AA did not really have a plan B for the creditors and the plan including shrinking and furloughing. The "bankruptcy of convenience" wasn't really out of convenience but necessity. They were loosing money since '08. The Arbs in other awards already stated that career expectations outside of about 5 yrs are meaningless.

Had a stronger career progression that L-AA. The bottom guy hired in '13, would have progress to approx 50% seniority by 2021 based on pure retirements.

Sounds reasonable

Anything beyond five years is hokum.
I see career expectations to be low on the list.


I see the Letter T slots being handled as furloughed and stapled to the bottom. You only get credit for what you brought to the party.


We will know in a couple of months or so.

 

So am I the only one with the bolls to make a prediction? Opening me up to ridicule once list is published? You boys are no "fun" lol