Continuning to shrink
01-30-2016 | 01:29 PM
#31
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From: E190 FO
I fly the shuttle almost every day. From the front end....so I guess my perception of the experience may be dated but I guarantee you the usual travelers would notice if a CRJ started flying it.
Yes the 175 could fly it great...if they could staff their airline and be reliable. Good luck with that.
And no...regional FA's have no idea how to use a real bottle, they only get paid enough for boxes
(heavy sarcasm for this of you who are going to jump my comment)
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Yes the 175 could fly it great...if they could staff their airline and be reliable. Good luck with that.
And no...regional FA's have no idea how to use a real bottle, they only get paid enough for boxes
(heavy sarcasm for this of you who are going to jump my comment) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
01-30-2016 | 01:43 PM
#32
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From: 737
Here's the problem with having a regional do the shuttle:
They are understaffed and ALREADY can't be relied upon to complete the full compliment of flights that they signed up for.
If you cancel a shuttle due to staffing and then roll all the business people to the next flight as revenue standbys and they don't get on and miss their meetings and decide not to rely on our services next time, you run the very real risk of killing the service.
I don't think that adding planes and routes to regional airlines that are already straining under the weight of pilot shortages is a recipe for a healthy shuttle, but hey, I've been wrong before.
They are understaffed and ALREADY can't be relied upon to complete the full compliment of flights that they signed up for.
If you cancel a shuttle due to staffing and then roll all the business people to the next flight as revenue standbys and they don't get on and miss their meetings and decide not to rely on our services next time, you run the very real risk of killing the service.
I don't think that adding planes and routes to regional airlines that are already straining under the weight of pilot shortages is a recipe for a healthy shuttle, but hey, I've been wrong before.
01-30-2016 | 04:56 PM
#34
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From: CRJ FO
They should be worried. Pay at the AAG wholly-owneds is below industry average and any new hire with half a brain knows that waiting 8+ years on a flow in this industry is downright foolish. Pay needs to come up and quickly if they want to fully staff their wholly-owneds. In some ways I hope new hires stop coming. Maybe it will encourage AAG to take more flying back from us and put it back at mainline where it belongs.
01-30-2016 | 05:27 PM
#35
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They should be worried. Pay at the AAG wholly-owneds is below industry average and any new hire with half a brain knows that waiting 8+ years on a flow in this industry is downright foolish. Pay needs to come up and quickly if they want to fully staff their wholly-owneds. In some ways I hope new hires stop coming. Maybe it will encourage AAG to take more flying back from us and put it back at mainline where it belongs.
You make 8 years to get to a major sound like its a big deal. That was about the avg. time it took for regional pilots to get to a major. Most had 2-3 year upgrades and spent 3-5 years as Captains before they were competitive for the majors. Sure some went earlier but 8 years isn't a terrible number.
01-30-2016 | 05:41 PM
#36
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Last I checked the WO's aren't so far off from Compass, Republic or SkyWest in terms of pay and work rules. People today will go to Regionals that have a fast upgrade and the ones that have long upgrades will lose people very fast. Where do you go? A regional that has a great first year pay and 4 year upgrade or one that the pay isn't that high but has a 1 year upgrade? I believe right now PSA and Piedmont offer those fast upgrades and will get pilots.
You make 8 years to get to a major sound like its a big deal. That was about the avg. time it took for regional pilots to get to a major. Most had 2-3 year upgrades and spent 3-5 years as Captains before they were competitive for the majors. Sure some went earlier but 8 years isn't a terrible number.
You make 8 years to get to a major sound like its a big deal. That was about the avg. time it took for regional pilots to get to a major. Most had 2-3 year upgrades and spent 3-5 years as Captains before they were competitive for the majors. Sure some went earlier but 8 years isn't a terrible number.
01-30-2016 | 05:44 PM
#37
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I agree! I hope that eventually all American flying will be done in house. Plus if we are going to be the best we need to control our flying and service.
01-31-2016 | 05:07 PM
#39
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From: Airbus
I fly the shuttle almost every day. From the front end....so I guess my perception of the experience may be dated but I guarantee you the usual travelers would notice if a CRJ started flying it.
Yes the 175 could fly it great...if they could staff their airline and be reliable. Good luck with that.
And no...regional FA's have no idea how to use a real bottle, they only get paid enough for boxes (heavy sarcasm for this of you who are going to jump my comment)
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yes the 175 could fly it great...if they could staff their airline and be reliable. Good luck with that.
And no...regional FA's have no idea how to use a real bottle, they only get paid enough for boxes
(heavy sarcasm for this of you who are going to jump my comment) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
01-31-2016 | 08:38 PM
#40
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Since when has team Tempe ever cared about passengers? The logic I understand but applied to our current management who is only capable of understanding what fits in a spreadsheet it makes no sense. Parker and company are just strip mining the value out of AA and then they will be down the road. The proof is in the stock buy backs and the continued high debt load. Don't make the mistake of thinking that these guys care..
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