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04-05-2016 | 05:13 AM
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Sounds to me like that should pay less then.
04-05-2016 | 09:47 AM
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The entire reason A321 pay is lower than 757 pay right now is because US had the largest 321 fleet prior to the merger. They had roughly 120 A321s.
APA, through its selfish endeavors didn't want the A321 flying to be paid at a rate equal to 757 flying, as that would give the US pilots an advantage in seniority list integrations, with MORE Group III positions to bring to the table. If you don't believe me, go and read thorough the seniority hearings transcripts.
The same logic applies to why E190 Captain pay is so low. Wouldn't want to closer to wide body FO pay, because that would have benefitted the US E190 guys as well.
Very classy, APA.
APA, through its selfish endeavors didn't want the A321 flying to be paid at a rate equal to 757 flying, as that would give the US pilots an advantage in seniority list integrations, with MORE Group III positions to bring to the table. If you don't believe me, go and read thorough the seniority hearings transcripts.
The same logic applies to why E190 Captain pay is so low. Wouldn't want to closer to wide body FO pay, because that would have benefitted the US E190 guys as well.
Very classy, APA.
04-05-2016 | 12:09 PM
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LOL, but ^^^This^^^
The 319/321 group negotiations were before the merger. Not everything is about scr3wing the non-nAAtives...
04-05-2016 | 05:04 PM
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The entire reason A321 pay is lower than 757 pay right now is because US had the largest 321 fleet prior to the merger. They had roughly 120 A321s.
APA, through its selfish endeavors didn't want the A321 flying to be paid at a rate equal to 757 flying, as that would give the US pilots an advantage in seniority list integrations, with MORE Group III positions to bring to the table. If you don't believe me, go and read thorough the seniority hearings transcripts.
The same logic applies to why E190 Captain pay is so low. Wouldn't want to closer to wide body FO pay, because that would have benefitted the US E190 guys as well.
Very classy, APA.
APA, through its selfish endeavors didn't want the A321 flying to be paid at a rate equal to 757 flying, as that would give the US pilots an advantage in seniority list integrations, with MORE Group III positions to bring to the table. If you don't believe me, go and read thorough the seniority hearings transcripts.
The same logic applies to why E190 Captain pay is so low. Wouldn't want to closer to wide body FO pay, because that would have benefitted the US E190 guys as well.
Very classy, APA.
04-05-2016 | 06:00 PM
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The entire reason A321 pay is lower than 757 pay right now is because US had the largest 321 fleet prior to the merger. They had roughly 120 A321s.
APA, through its selfish endeavors didn't want the A321 flying to be paid at a rate equal to 757 flying, as that would give the US pilots an advantage in seniority list integrations, with MORE Group III positions to bring to the table. If you don't believe me, go and read thorough the seniority hearings transcripts.
The same logic applies to why E190 Captain pay is so low. Wouldn't want to closer to wide body FO pay, because that would have benefitted the US E190 guys as well.
Very classy, APA.
APA, through its selfish endeavors didn't want the A321 flying to be paid at a rate equal to 757 flying, as that would give the US pilots an advantage in seniority list integrations, with MORE Group III positions to bring to the table. If you don't believe me, go and read thorough the seniority hearings transcripts.
The same logic applies to why E190 Captain pay is so low. Wouldn't want to closer to wide body FO pay, because that would have benefitted the US E190 guys as well.
Very classy, APA.
04-06-2016 | 07:18 AM
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The actual difference is 75%.
As in, that is the percentage of pilots who voted "Yes" for the contract, including the current pay rates.
It never ceases to amaze, amuse, and infuriate me that pilots will vote overwhelming in favor of a contract, then spend the rest of that contract's life complaining about it.
That's like F/A's complaining non-stop about a hotel, to the point where the union and company agree to leave that hotel -- or the hotel throws them out -- only to hear them complain even more about the new hotel.
04-06-2016 | 08:38 AM
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The actual difference is 75%.
As in, that is the percentage of pilots who voted "Yes" for the contract, including the current pay rates.
It never ceases to amaze, amuse, and infuriate me that pilots will vote overwhelming in favor of a contract, then spend the rest of that contract's life complaining about it.
That's like F/A's complaining non-stop about a hotel, to the point where the union and company agree to leave that hotel -- or the hotel throws them out -- only to hear them complain even more about the new hotel.
As in, that is the percentage of pilots who voted "Yes" for the contract, including the current pay rates.
It never ceases to amaze, amuse, and infuriate me that pilots will vote overwhelming in favor of a contract, then spend the rest of that contract's life complaining about it.
That's like F/A's complaining non-stop about a hotel, to the point where the union and company agree to leave that hotel -- or the hotel throws them out -- only to hear them complain even more about the new hotel.
By the same logic if I refuse to vote for a President I don't like, we'll end up with a perfect President. Or if i refuse to buy a car that doesn't meet my exacting specifications I'll end up with the perfect car. Life just doesn't work that way, it's about compromise. JCBA's are no different. Arguing the relative merits of a yes or no vote is valid. Saying that any yes voter has no right to gripe is bad logic.
04-06-2016 | 01:40 PM
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Is not the 757 a far more capable aircraft then the A321? With the same seating types it generally seats 5% more people, carries more cargo and has vastly improved short runway performance. It also has a better range off long runways and a dramatically better range off short runways with a full load of people. I would expect just looking at those numbers the 757 should pay 5 to 10% more then the A321. What is the actual difference?
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