SO - Where's the SLI?
07-19-2016, 08:23 AM
#531
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Originally Posted by Route66
I made NO DEAL. I owe ALPA NOTHING. They don't pay my salary nor more than USAPA or the APA ever did. We have what the Company gave us and that is BECAUSE you and yours wish to treat US and OUR seniority less than yours. That is why we WON'T get unity on Section 6 in a few years and I agree. The damage to the pilot profession is BECAUSE of this discrimination. The OTHER unions use date of hire but YOU and YOURS "believe" you're entitled to privileged promotion. Enjoy your new seniority number.
07-19-2016, 08:25 AM
#532
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Originally Posted by Saul Rosenberg
Possibly, and I guess we'll know in a few weeks. As for unity within APA, it wasn't there before the merger and it's now essentially impossible. But don't flatter yourself that it's because your plan to arrive to the table as a separate entity with some narrow body flying from the lowest yield base in the entire system was (apparently) not a rousing success for your tie-wearing AOL warriors. The long term lack of unity on this property will forever be due to the gross miscalculation of the APA to side with you boys and try to make this merger all about PHX and the rest of the AA bases, while using PHL, CLT, DCA LUS pilots as lowly furlough fodder. For that misstep, APA has lost any respect that any LUS East pilot might have had for them. They shouldn't have picked sides in an argument like that, but hey, we all know how persuasive EF et al can be (and that he lives in such close proximity to APA Worldwide Headquarters.) Heck, he's persuaded all of you to follow him to the promised land since 2007. Don't negotiate, don't compromise, don't take what was offered at Wye River. One would think that the more intelligent of your tribe have asked themselves many times "Wye, Wye, Wye? Why didn't we use our heads at Wye?" Anyway, it's all blue water under the bridge now. Wait and see, and know that we will all be OK one way or the other.
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07-19-2016, 08:32 AM
#533
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Originally Posted by Route66
I made NO DEAL. I owe ALPA NOTHING. They don't pay my salary nor more than USAPA or the APA ever did. We have what the Company gave us and that is BECAUSE you and yours wish to treat US and OUR seniority less than yours. That is why we WON'T get unity on Section 6 in a few years and I agree. The damage to the pilot profession is BECAUSE of this discrimination. The OTHER unions use date of hire but YOU and YOURS "believe" you're entitled to privileged promotion. Enjoy your new seniority number.
What happened to DOH? I thought that was sacrosanct for you guys? Your proposal has third listers ahead of West FO's hired many years before they arrived.
07-19-2016, 08:54 AM
#535
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Originally Posted by Route66
I made NO DEAL. I owe ALPA NOTHING. They don't pay my salary nor more than USAPA or the APA ever did. We have what the Company gave us and that is BECAUSE you and yours wish to treat US and OUR seniority less than yours. That is why we WON'T get unity on Section 6 in a few years and I agree. The damage to the pilot profession is BECAUSE of this discrimination. The OTHER unions use date of hire but YOU and YOURS "believe" you're entitled to privileged promotion. Enjoy your new seniority number.
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07-19-2016, 09:02 AM
#536
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Originally Posted by esadof
Remind us again why you lost 2 dfr's and have to hand the west usapa's treasury? Oh yeah, you are criminals.
And the case was a civil one, not criminal.
07-19-2016, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Laker24
Route66
What happened to DOH? I thought that was sacrosanct for you guys? Your proposal has third listers ahead of West FO's hired many years before they arrived.
What happened to DOH? I thought that was sacrosanct for you guys? Your proposal has third listers ahead of West FO's hired many years before they arrived.
07-19-2016, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by esadof
Is that why usapa used doh in their proposal for in this integration? So much for the "gold standard" freakin scumbag hypocrites.
07-19-2016, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by esadof
Nah you are an ignoramus, you have no clue about a 2005 merger or the financial condition of usairways who at the time had 50% of their pilots on the street.
From George Nicolau:
"At the time of the US Air/America West merger, US Airways had a grand total of 5098 pilots on its seniority list, 1691 of which (33%) were on furlough."
Eh...50%, 33%, what's a few percentage points among friends, right?
Quit cacti, just quit.
07-19-2016, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
I think you are sadly mistaken in your assessment of the situation. The deal was made due to the written language contained within the merger policy. I see based upon the tone of your response you clearly wish to make this a singular issue but I assure you it was not. The DEAL was the policy itself and no east pilot that I can recall had a problem with the policy prior to the process playing itself out. Its funny how you look at things after the fact now isn't it? The other unions are not our concern nor was there a "me too" clause that I can remember. The DOH that you reference in the other unions had that provision contained within their master CBA and the pilots did not. No one believed anything other than what we agreed to and that was to settle the dispute using binding arbitration. I contend that the west held up its end of that bargain. The beauty and the beast with any arbitration is the fact that you give up control of the situation and place it in the hands of a neutral 3rd party. I say again the west held up its end of that and you did not. I don't know what the future holds and it's of very little concern to me. I think I should be wishing you well on you new found conquest. If in fact the panel has rewarded the east for its distasteful acts, then I tip my hat to you and say bravo, you were able to skirt biding arbitration a feat that has never before been done and one with which will never be forgotten.
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