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Hi! I am A320 type rated, have a 4 yeara degrees, no jet PIC, 1800 total time, 1600 on the A320 (currently flying). I am getting my ATP written next week and ATP next montt. No Part 121, all A320 hours in a foreign carrier. I know I am low on hours, but the degree, type and hours are probably a plus. Is AA (or any legacy) way out of my league? I have a good contact on a US major LCC trying to recruit me once I hit the 2000 total. I am thinking I could get some experience flying for the LCC and then try the legacies or fly for a regional and jump to the legacies or I can stay where I am for 3-4 years and transition to the B787. The conditions here are:
Max 5 days on, 4 sectors per day (max 6), 9 mandatory days off (actually getting 11-13), 90 hours max (some months they max you out), 30 days paid vacation per year, a lot of roster changes, fixed salary though. About 3 to 4 overnights out of home per month. Very high power distance here and some operational chaos here due to some infrastructure and planning.
. Whatever I do I want to end up flying in the US sooner or later, my dilemma here is that the B787 here is practically closer than anywhere else in the world. Any comments, suggestions or ideas are welcomed.
Max 5 days on, 4 sectors per day (max 6), 9 mandatory days off (actually getting 11-13), 90 hours max (some months they max you out), 30 days paid vacation per year, a lot of roster changes, fixed salary though. About 3 to 4 overnights out of home per month. Very high power distance here and some operational chaos here due to some infrastructure and planning.
. Whatever I do I want to end up flying in the US sooner or later, my dilemma here is that the B787 here is practically closer than anywhere else in the world. Any comments, suggestions or ideas are welcomed.
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Hi! I am A320 type rated, have a 4 yeara degrees, no jet PIC, 1800 total time, 1600 on the A320 (currently flying). I am getting my ATP written next week and ATP next montt. No Part 121, all A320 hours in a foreign carrier. I know I am low on hours, but the degree, type and hours are probably a plus. Is AA (or any legacy) way out of my league? I have a good contact on a US major LCC trying to recruit me once I hit the 2000 total. I am thinking I could get some experience flying for the LCC and then try the legacies or fly for a regional and jump to the legacies or I can stay where I am for 3-4 years and transition to the B787. The conditions here are:
Max 5 days on, 4 sectors per day (max 6), 9 mandatory days off (actually getting 11-13), 90 hours max (some months they max you out), 30 days paid vacation per year, a lot of roster changes, fixed salary though. About 3 to 4 overnights out of home per month. Very high power distance here and some operational chaos here due to some infrastructure and planning.
. Whatever I do I want to end up flying in the US sooner or later, my dilemma here is that the B787 here is practically closer than anywhere else in the world. Any comments, suggestions or ideas are welcomed.
Max 5 days on, 4 sectors per day (max 6), 9 mandatory days off (actually getting 11-13), 90 hours max (some months they max you out), 30 days paid vacation per year, a lot of roster changes, fixed salary though. About 3 to 4 overnights out of home per month. Very high power distance here and some operational chaos here due to some infrastructure and planning.
. Whatever I do I want to end up flying in the US sooner or later, my dilemma here is that the B787 here is practically closer than anywhere else in the world. Any comments, suggestions or ideas are welcomed.
You would be competitive at Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant much sooner than Delta, American, and United.
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To be competitive You'll need over 5000 hours and PIC time. It would probably be a backwards move, but going to a regional and getting some PIC time would probably be your fastest bet to get to American. Piedmont, PSA, and Envoy have guaranteed flow to American. I'm not sure how long that would take for a new hire though. I don't have the stats for off the street hires, but very few of our pilots get hired that way. Half come from flow thru programs and about half come from the military. The very few leftovers come from other regionals, other majors, part 135, etc.
You would be competitive at Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant much sooner than Delta, American, and United.
You would be competitive at Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant much sooner than Delta, American, and United.
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It's not about if an RJ job is a step 'backwards'. You should be focusing on what gets you to your final job fastest.
To be competitive (average resume) right now you need about 7000+, 4000 PIC, some TPIC, several type ratings, and a four year degree.
1,800 TT, 1600 jet FO, no 121, no PIC, just isn't competitive. Look at the resumes posted by guys getting hired and figure out how to make your future resume mimic theirs.
What's get you there quickest? 787 is going to be more FO time. You'll have to hope that the pilot shortage decreases the value given to PIC time if you stay an FO for the next 5-7 years. If you go to an AA WO you'll be able to flow in 5-7 (?) years. And it looks like you might upgrade in 3(?) years. So you'd upgrade with approx 4,000 TT. Three years later you'd be at approx 6,000 TT and 2,000 121 TPIC.
To be competitive (average resume) right now you need about 7000+, 4000 PIC, some TPIC, several type ratings, and a four year degree.
1,800 TT, 1600 jet FO, no 121, no PIC, just isn't competitive. Look at the resumes posted by guys getting hired and figure out how to make your future resume mimic theirs.
What's get you there quickest? 787 is going to be more FO time. You'll have to hope that the pilot shortage decreases the value given to PIC time if you stay an FO for the next 5-7 years. If you go to an AA WO you'll be able to flow in 5-7 (?) years. And it looks like you might upgrade in 3(?) years. So you'd upgrade with approx 4,000 TT. Three years later you'd be at approx 6,000 TT and 2,000 121 TPIC.
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What's the relative percentage of the junior CA at Spirit? 60%? 65%
That's means they'd have to grow by approx 50-60% for a guy hired today to upgrade by year X. That's the reality, and downside, of getting hired later in the hiring cycle.
Looking at APC's NK page it looks like that growth will be achieved in 2021-2023 if NK maintains it's current growth rate.
You need to write future resumes, projecting on a yearly or two year cycle, as if you'd made different career choices. Be realistic on your estimates and projections and the choice might become more obvious.
The goal isn't what's the coolest or best job right now but what path gives you the best chance of reaching your final goal first. I took big pay cuts, and jobs a step down in status, while focusing on the long term goal. If I'd stayed with the 'better' job(a lot more pay but a lot less flying) it would have taken me another 2-3 years to have a competitive resume.
That's means they'd have to grow by approx 50-60% for a guy hired today to upgrade by year X. That's the reality, and downside, of getting hired later in the hiring cycle.
Looking at APC's NK page it looks like that growth will be achieved in 2021-2023 if NK maintains it's current growth rate.
You need to write future resumes, projecting on a yearly or two year cycle, as if you'd made different career choices. Be realistic on your estimates and projections and the choice might become more obvious.
The goal isn't what's the coolest or best job right now but what path gives you the best chance of reaching your final goal first. I took big pay cuts, and jobs a step down in status, while focusing on the long term goal. If I'd stayed with the 'better' job(a lot more pay but a lot less flying) it would have taken me another 2-3 years to have a competitive resume.
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Thanks Viper, Spirit sounds appealing, specially because of the QOL and upgrade doesn't look too far way. You are right, the regionals sound a little bit like a backwards move from my current position, thats why I kinda have the LCCs in mind to check the 121 box and sooner or later the TPIC box. Thanks for the input!
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