Atlas / Southern
08-21-2019, 08:45 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
They went from zeroes to having a decent cba and all of a sudden can’t stay in their own lane whenever they see another bad Atlas thread.
I think the real kicker though is if you're better off at a commuter with direct flow than K4. The pay would be better at K4 but you would end up at American for sure. That's part of their contract... So... I might put commuters up there too.
08-21-2019, 09:49 AM
#142
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
If I had to rank their CBA they'd be behind Spirit, Jet Blue, Frontier, Alliegient, Southwest, Delta, American, United, FedEx, UPS, Omni and ATI... That's 12 airlines. I'll leave it to you whether that's "decent"... I don't expect Atlas to surpass any of those on the list except for Omni and ATI plus probably K4 since JD said "K4 Plus a Dollar" in several forums. Of course K4 will be starting negotiations just like Atlas was when K4 got their "decent" contract.
I think the real kicker though is if you're better off at a commuter with direct flow than K4. The pay would be better at K4 but you would end up at American for sure. That's part of their contract... So... I might put commuters up there too.
I think the real kicker though is if you're better off at a commuter with direct flow than K4. The pay would be better at K4 but you would end up at American for sure. That's part of their contract... So... I might put commuters up there too.
No one asked you to rank anything. Keep thinking what you want, but while you’re complaining about pay, qol, vacation, etc, most of the K4 guys are actually happy.
08-21-2019, 09:56 AM
#143
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Originally Posted by Locke
It’s mind boggling how quickly these arguments go in circles.
No one asked you to rank anything. Keep thinking what you want, but while you’re complaining about pay, qol, vacation, etc, most of the K4 guys are actually happy.
No one asked you to rank anything. Keep thinking what you want, but while you’re complaining about pay, qol, vacation, etc, most of the K4 guys are actually happy.
08-21-2019, 01:06 PM
#145
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I'm sorry, who else has first year FO's breaking 200k if they want it? Or 140k if they'd rather be home more? Our giant hourly rate increase was done instead of a rig.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.
08-21-2019, 01:14 PM
#146
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
I'm sorry, who else has first year FO's breaking 200k if they want it? Or 140k if they'd rather be home more? Our giant hourly rate increase was done instead of a rig.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.
08-21-2019, 01:22 PM
#147
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I'd rather not come over to your threads, but some of us feel a need to defend. Others still have a ton of animosity towards the new contract being held up 6 months. But I believe all of us want to see you guys get the new contract you want, and have some empathy for you guys dealing with a management who seemingly doesn't care about the company long term.
08-21-2019, 01:59 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
I'm sorry, who else has first year FO's breaking 200k if they want it? Or 140k if they'd rather be home more? Our giant hourly rate increase was done instead of a rig.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.
08-21-2019, 02:01 PM
#149
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
Glad they're happy... I just think it's a stretch to call their contract "Decent" or "Average".
How this gets morphed into you thinking that K4 Pilots do not adamantly support the well being of ALL pilots just reeks of immaturity on your part.
08-21-2019, 02:03 PM
#150
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
I'm sorry, who else has first year FO's breaking 200k if they want it? Or 140k if they'd rather be home more? Our giant hourly rate increase was done instead of a rig.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.
If it is the comments by Globe, he is a FedEx pilot and not an Atlas pilot. If the new DH rules you are referring to as being industry leading is in reference to Atlas, that is because they will be when this CBA gets signed. All international travel is Business Class or better (as it is today), so your information is wrong there.
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