DC8DRIVER

Yes you do get paid for the entire flight but don't go thinking that dozing for dollars is worth very much at Atlas!

The training pay will not change and you won't get done any sooner than 4 months, so as someone said, that will be:

$1600/month x 4 months = $6,400

Then, even at 95 hours a month that will be $79.60/hour x 95 = $7,562/month x 8 months = $60,496.

$6,400 + $$60,496 = $66,896 (before taxes, insurance and 401k contributions!)

... in my book, even at 95 hours, that's not very close to 90k (but, again, contractual minimum guarantee first year is 50 hours per month and that is much closer to what you should count on. And after that min guarantee is only 62 hours a month).

Also, keep in mind that contractual pay rates on the 777 are 91.97% of the APC published 747 rates after the first year. So second year in the 777 will be 91.97% of $100/hour at 62 hours or:

$91.97 x 62 x 12 = $68,425.68 would be your second year 777 FO pay (before taxes, insurance and 401k contributions!)

Think seriously before making the jump to Atlas.

boeingdvr

They are called Recruiters for a reason. If you would rather listen to them, VS the thousands of pages from line pilots- that’s on you.

SA had one 777 pilot in ground school 2 weeks ago.

The old saying in rounders- “if you can’t find the sucker, you are the sucker”

But hey, if you don’t believe us, come on over.

Globemaster2827

He'll have training 2 months AFTER his initial training... Those 2 months need to be subtracted from that because at Atlas you don't get paid for your training if it falls on a work day... Does he get sick in those 8 months? That's 3 months at 50 hours... Does a family member die? .... 4 months... Vacation? 5 months at 50 hours. The notion that he'd fly that much is straight up false. That recruiter is lying to him.

sandstorm

If you fly a 12 hour flight, nine out of ten times you'll only get paid 4.85 hours for that flight. The only way you will truly get paid for that 12 hour flight is if your block pay (hours flown + DH credit) exceeds your CRT. There is no daily rig at Atlas. It's a monthly look back. CRT at Atlas is Time Away From Base divided by 4.95. Most of the time our block credit does not exceed CRT. If you have vacation or training in a month, plan on min guarantee unless you want to work a whole bunch of extra days.

Turbine1

Jan 16 is the 4 year mark when this “process” started.

Next week is a pivotal time for the future of the company. In an unusual move our executives brought in an outside negotiator to sit down for talks starting Monday. A lot of people are hoping for a miracle that something will come of it. If it turns out to be another nothingburger show the company likes to put on every 1st qtr to keep the the crews motivated thru peak, the resulting spike of pilots leaving here will have this company in bankruptcy by next Jan. For 4 years this pilot group has endured the lies and false promises, lawsuits and disregard for safety. The patience of this pilot group is now truly at its end.

Captains are quitting with no notice and no follow on job to go to. 30 others have quit in the past few weeks. Amazon and DHL in desperation are turning to Mesa and Sun Country to operate at least 20 737’s that Southern can’t staff. Classes of one there, on the 777 no less.

If AAWH mgt doesn’t stop treating their pilots like indentured servants and refuses to offer a industry standard CBA in the next few months, the damage will be irreversible. Atlas will join that long list of failed airlines as the airframes rot in the desert. That may be the executives ultimate plan. Their recent entry into a JV with Bain Capitol Credit, and their well known history of leveraging up their holdings with debt then bankrupting the company and walking away with millions in their own pockets while their employees are left with nothing would be par for the course at AAWH.

Riverside

You said you were out the door,
what happened?

Globemaster2827

Your crewmembers had better have already had their apps out and be planning on hitting up job fairs. Airlines hire like crazy the first 8 months of the year to make sure those crew members are ready for Summer for the majors and peak for the cargo airlines.

If they're waiting on one individual bargaining session they're hurting themselves. Atlas Management has floated false hope repeatedly during "The Process" and it's highly likely that's what this is. If they retain 10 guys because of this move then it was worth it to them. I get it that there's hope but the smart move is to plan for the worst and hope for the best.

DC8DRIVER

^^^ Truth ^^^

JonnyKnoxville

Looks like Southern Air is losing all 5 B737-400s flown for DHL. Someone looking to get hired at Southern right now might be facing a quick furlough. I would imagine being furloughed or holding on at the bottom will depend on attrition and timing of how quickly the DHL 737s are leaving the fleet.

Fifi

Not sure why anyone with a life or no skeleton chaining them to that hellish purgatory like existence would stay.......move on and enjoy some type of QOL with fair pay.

Imho.