Elevation

Yeah. I mean I can point to where there were conflicts of interest, etc. A lot of our hopes were pinned on this report driving some change. I'm not so sure now.

lgaflyer

It's possible through the camera how TOGA was activated. The report only speculates that it was inadvertently activated by the FO but no one can be sure if was the CA or the FO who pushed it (by accident or not)

In many other incidents, certain handles/buttons were pulled/pushed, like speedbrakes and flaps handles where they can be reached by both pilots, when they are moved/pushed, we don't know who moved/pushed them. A camera can tell.

Adlerdriver

It can?? Thanks for pointing that out
Sorry, but I couldn’t resist.

If we knew who pushed TOGA how would that change anything? The fact would still remain at the FO reacted to that actuation completely inappropriately. With a few notable exceptions, most of the accident reports that I’ve read have not been inconclusive. The tools currently available appear to allow an accurate reconstruction of the event and appropriate conclusions and recommendations in most cases. Sorry, I’m just not part of the GoPro generation nor am I interested in having my worst day captured on video should it ever come.

Grease

Let me ask you this: has there ever been an incompetent, under-qualified white pilot hired in this industry? Do any incompetent white pilots exist in this industry? If your answer is “yes” to either of these questions, then why do you suppose they were hired?

Globemaster2827

Yeah... Even if it was the Captain it doesn't change anything in my mind. The PF needed to just click it off and maintain level flight while he asked for the PM to re-automate. The PF didn't understand his FMAs and did something that never would've made sense...

Adlerdriver

Dude, you are asking me questions that I answered in the first post you called racist . I’d suggest going back to reread it, but that’s probably going to be a fail based on events so far.

Of course there have been incompetent, unqualified white pilots hired. I said as much in my post which you can read below. I also answered your question with a hypothesis about how they got hired. Obviously I don’t know for certain so I can only guess.

Grease

This is what I take issue with:

You come up with a variety of reasons why other incompetent pilots can get hired (desperate company, failed PRIA process, etc), but for minorities, they get hired just because they are minorities? Do you honestly not see how you are viewing “incompetent pilots” differently based on race?

lgaflyer

Forgive me but I thought the we were trying to find out what happened. Won't "who did what" fall into the category of what happened? Or is that just something you are just not interested in knowing?

Adlerdriver

You are still failing reading comprehension. Go back and read my post. I did not differentiate between white pilots or minority pilots when I lumped them together and said any of them could be hired as a result of a failed screening process. Try to understand that distinction first. If an incompetent pilot of any color is deceptive and/or the screening process and records review fails to detect the deficiencies in his past experiences then that is one avenue they could end up being hired. Again, just to be clear...any incompetent pilot, any race, any color, any sex....Whatever.........could end up being hired as a result of a failure in the screening process. Additionally, once they’re on the property there is continued potential for failure within the training department to identify the fact that they have no business operating an airplane. Any pilot - period.
I hope that’s clear enough for you.

The point I was attempting to make in the quote that you take issue with is that like it or not, there is an additional reason why an incompetent minority might slip through the cracks either in the initial screening process or the training process after they were hired. And that is because there is the added possibility that they get hired because that particular employer wants to hire someone that looks like them. Not the pilots fault. It’s the employers problem. The fact that this particular fictional pilot happens to be a minority and is an incompetent pilot are not connected. That pilot can’t help it that God didn’t make them cut out to operate an airplane. Same thing with the white pilot who is incompetent. The reason either one of them is incompetent has nothing to do with the way they look. My point was that that it’s unlikely that a white male who is incompetent is going to get a pass based on the way he looks. The more likely scenario is that the company is hurting for bodies and they ignore his incompetence or the training department has incompetent instructors. The same thing could happen with the minority, but there is also the added possibility that they get to stick around because there’s a particular box checked on their application. It’s simply reality. It has happened numerous times and probably will continue to happen. I’ve spent way more time than I needed to try and make this point to you in a way that you might be able to understand it. If you’re still confused don’t respond because I’m done.

Grease

It’s clear with this extra nuance you add here. It’s not so clear when you end a post suggesting that it’s not difficult to find incompetent, under qualified minorities who were hired only because they are minorities.

We can be done with this.