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Originally Posted by sky jet
(Post 3107470)
I can hear it now, "OK Boomer", but here is the real deal about airline training. You need to know your aircraft systems. You need to know your aircrafts limitations. You need to know how to properly fly a V1 and V2 engine failure. You need to know how to execute an emergency descent, You need to know how to fly a non-precision and precision approach. You must learn to function as a crew. Nothing has changed in 50+ years. If you can do these things competently you will pass and thrive at an airline. If you have a good attitude and need a little help you will most likely get it. If you are unable to master these skills in todays environment you will most likely be let go. AQP or Old School you still need to be able to do these things and it was, has been and hopefully always will be up to the individual to prepare properly. I've done both types of training plus some overseas that doesn't fit either category and it is all about individual preparation. Short of poor instruction/checking, which is thankfully rare, most pilots do fine regardless of the program.
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Interesting side note about Atlas/Southern's 737 program - there is no systems class, it's all computer based and was of marginal utility for me. Best to use that as an introduction. I spent a lot of time in the books to get through the oral. Instructors were quite helpful, but a lot of that self study happens after your two weeks of regular face time is over. They're still happy to meet you during time off, but the ad hoc study sessions were discouraged as COVID got really bad in Miami.
The other 5Y/9S airframes aren't like this from what I've heard. |
K4 - The “Slaughterhouse”
K4 is AQP that’s NOT AQP! They do their own thing and have the worst failure rate in the industry. Beware! The FAA let’s them get away with it... for now. There’s a reason they call it “The Slaughterhouse”! Good pilots from all walks get stuck in poor training.
And now the company told the negotiating committee to pound sand. Here comes another 6 year circus for a contract. |
Originally Posted by Jumper206
(Post 3145517)
K4 is AQP that’s NOT AQP! They do their own thing and have the worst failure rate in the industry. Beware! The FAA let’s them get away with it... for now. There’s a reason they call it “The Slaughterhouse”! Good pilots from all walks get stuck in poor training.
And now the company told the negotiating committee to pound sand. Here comes another 6 year circus for a contract. How do I know? Because history doesn't repeat, it rhymes. In this case Kalitta rhymes with Atlas. |
Originally Posted by Jumper206
(Post 3145517)
K4 is AQP that’s NOT AQP! They do their own thing and have the worst failure rate in the industry. Beware! The FAA let’s them get away with it... for now. There’s a reason they call it “The Slaughterhouse”! Good pilots from all walks get stuck in poor training.
And now the company told the negotiating committee to pound sand. Here comes another 6 year circus for a contract. The Company did not tell the Negotiating Committee to pound sand. This is simply the next step to keep things moving and keep pressure on to get TA's from both sides. |
Originally Posted by Jumper206
(Post 3145517)
K4 is AQP that’s NOT AQP! They do their own thing and have the worst failure rate in the industry. Beware! The FAA let’s them get away with it... for now. There’s a reason they call it “The Slaughterhouse”! Good pilots from all walks get stuck in poor training.
And now the company told the negotiating committee to pound sand. Here comes another 6 year circus for a contract. |
The slaughterhouse? Never heard it referred to that before. Not gonna lie, it was tough. I had a good sim partner and good classmates that literally met every day after class to study and chair fly. Could training be better? Sure, but if you try your best (and not blame others) then you’ll be able to cooperate and graduate.
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Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 3107244)
I’m interested in the larger carriers, like Atlas, ATI, Kalitta, Western... some people carriers, too.
I’m at a regional where just about everything is AQP, except for upgrade. Is AQP available for recurrent, initial? What is the quality of training? What if you need an extra sim session? Looking for the big picture. Thanks. |
Never heard “slaughterhouse”, sounds pretty dramatic. Nobody will hold your hand through training, but if you are motivated and want it, you will pass.
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Originally Posted by zerozero
(Post 3145557)
ALPA will simply inform the Kalitta MEC they have spent enough and take whatever is on the table.
How do I know? Because history doesn't repeat, it rhymes. In this case Kalitta rhymes with Atlas. have to keep the rivalry alive to prevent unification, and a repeat of the 1880 type of labor actions. Judges, Court Order, Threats,.... nothing stopped the strike, the workers just didn't care anymore. It took Federal Troops to break the strike, because the National Guard being made up of your neighbors somehow just couldn't get the job done (many accused them of siding with the strikers and putting on a show effort only, probably was true). Some more history (almost) https://operationorange2011.wordpres...-the-end-game/ |
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