RustyShacklford

What kind of commitment do you owe to Atlas in exchange for them paying for your CTP course and ATP?

subin30

https://news.erau.edu/headlines/embr...uccess-program

My daughter who is enrolled in ERAU sent me this. Lots of interest from international students she says. Won't solve attrition but seems 5Y is catching up to shortage issues lol

Birdsmash

Yah. I can’t wait to have someone who finished their CFI 3 semesters prior and then instructed in the very sterile university flight program sitting next to me during a low vis, night approach in winter weather.

As much as I thought I knew after graduating from ERAU, it was time in various operations that taught me all that I didn’t know.

BrazilBusDriver

Regionals have been doing it since the mid-2000s. My first approach to mins had paying pax in the back, and we de-iced on the way there. We need to up our training game on the 737 (re: dumb down/spoon feed/meet the candidates where they are), but what makes us special in this new labor shortage world?

Adapt or die. Part of that’s gonna be pay and bennies (some of which we’ve already seen in the last several months, and which the company appears to be quite capable of continuing based upon recent financial performance and forward guidance), part of that’s going to be taking folks outta flight school. I acknowledge that you would prefer the former, me too.

But United Airlines famously hired zero time pilots in the 1960s. I bet we can train folks with 750-1500 hours in the domestic network if that’s what it takes.

Swakid8

‘I agree with this, provided we keep them domestically initially….

Birdsmash

I agree if our training is modified. Hours in a logbook do not mean much. However, that is traditionally how a civilian pilot gains the experience that he/she didn’t get in initial pilot training flying relatively simple, slow aircraft. The flip-side of this is the military. With relatively few hours their pilots are put into some of the most advanced aircraft in the world. The difference? All in the training.

Roverruckus

Pretty much every other country besides the US puts 250 hour pilots in the right seat of a 737 or 320, The 1500 rule greatly benefits pilots but the safety aspect of it is questionable at best. I did get a lot of good experience building my 1500, but there were definitely diminishing returns after about 750 hours. The only reason the US can sustain the 1500 hour rule for now is that we have a much more robust GA sector compared to everywhere else as well. However, that will shrink as well with how crazy GA costs are becoming.

Twin Wasp

And made them flight engineers. Like getting 2 or 3 years of OE watching what goes on.

TransWorld

And simulators did not exist. Observe, do maneuvers with an empty plane, and sit sideways. I definitely see an advantage to sim training. You can do things that do not cause a risk to the airframe, as well as the life of the pilots.

Birdsmash

They do not put 250 hour, fresh out of a university flight program, pilots into a transport category jet. Those airlines conduct ab initio training from zero to hero. Big, big difference.