yudah

Can anyone give insight to how pilots with 1500 hours and no ATP are doing in the Atlas training program? Any clue what the success/washout rate is? Has Atlas improved their training program for these types of pilots as they themselves have more experience hiring them.

Also anyone that got their ATP with Atlas can you explain how that was? Was the practical in a small twin? If so how many practice flights did you get in? Did they provide much to prepare you?

Do you think a piiot with no jet time but time in someting like a caravan would have a high chance of success? Given they do everythng they can to succeed of course.

Thanks in advance

DanUpNorth

Just curious what type of flying were you doing in a single pilot C208 with under 1500tt?


I have heard stores across the industry of people logging right seat time in stuff like 208s and PC12s (even when legal) but companies not counting it for much

yudah

Survey. Mainly single pilot. You can get those jobs around 500 hours now.

Cleared4appch

As someone who came from a single engine turboprop background as well, and all of it being PIC and none of the worthless ‘right seat time,’ take my advice and go to a regional. Get some experience in jets first. I don’t work for atlas, I work at a regional, but I’d imagine going straight into their training program with zero jet time is like trying to do a marathon with no preparation or conditioning for it. You are more vulnerable to being chewed up and spit out compared to someone who has jet experience. Can it be done? Yea, but you’re taking a risk when it comes to washing out.

Majicalpepper

It all depends on the person. Are you self motivated? Do you study well by yourself as well as in groups? Are you willing to put in the countless hours of hard work to make it?


I went into the program at 1550TT. It is not an easy program as there is no true ground school going over each system for the plane and they do not hold your hand. You really have to put in the study time. If you are that person that wants to go out and have fun all the time during training, you won't make it (unless you're that person who can drink all the time and function).


They do have SITs where you have a few hours with an instructor in a room going over a system a day, but I would not consider it ground school because it's not thorough and you can learn a lot more from the manuals. In fact, you'll get more out of it when you come knowing the system and can ask questions.


I also got my ATP through them. It is done through CAE in Phoenix, at least when I did it at the beginning of the year. You get 10 hours in a Seminole, about 5 2 hour flights. They do have materials and there is also materials being passed around by the students going through the program at the hotel. You can get grounds from the instructors. You also get a few sims. The check ride is in the Seminole and it consists of quite a lot, but you'll be able to handle it.


Don't worry about it being a jet. I had 650 hours of time in a twin turboprop and I did just fine. The problem is that people don't realize how much there is to study. It's not about flying, it's about hitting the books. It's a plane, it flys like anything else. Sure, there's a few quirks to figure out like energy management, going down and slowing down, the vnav of the 73 and some other things, but you start to polish it off in the sims and even more so when you start flying.


Again, I cannot stress enough that the problem is the studying. There's a lot of systems, there's a lot of SOPs, and there's a lot of regs, there's probably even some type of flying procedures you haven't done (descend via, etc.). They aren't looking for perfection, but if you aren't trying, they can tell.


Enjoy the time with your peers. You're all going through the same thing. It's long, it's stressful, and it's a lot to take in. And make sure on your days off you take a few hours to do something fun. You absolutely must blow off steam to stay sane. Oh, and note that some frustrations with your sim partner will likely happen.


Feel free to PM me for any more info.

yudah

Thank you very much, it can be hard to get this informative of an answer.

Droopy

TLDR Summary: It's up to you, regardless of experience... There's lots of help to be had.

The reply from MajicalPepper is spot on. The training at Atlas is not bad, regardless of the fleet. It IS 100% targetted to self starters. If someone expects an instructor to sit down with them and walk them through all the systems, flows, and profiles, they're going to be in for a tough time and will have some unpleasant surprises at the first SITs and full sims. If someone is the type that can sit down, actually pay attention through the boring CBTs (they're not THAT bad, but they challenge my attention span...), and go research the stuff that they don't understand, they'll do fine.

Additionally, work WITH your class. While some classes are better than others, there are always folks that want to study together and that will complement what you know. For instance, my class had several previously typed guys and several guys with zero jet and glass time. We all paired up, divided up into larger study groups, and even with all that, if someone needed more time in front of the paper tiger or needed more group study, there were ALWAYS classmates willing to help. And the company will also give you more help as long as you ask for it before failing miserably...

TaewoongShin

Thank you for the information. Sir.
Cost shouldn't be the main concern.
If I receive training from them, is there a mandatory contract period afterwards?

captjns

Your logbooks must meet the requirements of CFR 61.51.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-61/subpart-A/section-61.
51

Your Flight Experience must meet the requirement of CFR61.159, without exercising extraordinary means.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-61/subpart-G/section-61.
159

It is not required to satisfy, both logbook nor flight experience for the ATP-CTP course and written. However for the interview, with exception of some Regional, and ACMI Carriers both are required. Can't make the same statement for the Larger/Legacy Carriers.

Either way... keep forging ahead. It's worth the effor.

TaewoongShin

Q1: Can you provide more details about the training process for ATP-CTP and how it aligns with the specific aircraft assigned to a pilot after joining a company?

When you apply and get hired by a company, do you undergo ATP-CTP training after joining? (How does the salary work during this period?) Or is it something provided by the company before you join?

If it's before joining, do you initially train on a generic aircraft like the 737, and after joining, receive training on the specific aircraft assigned to you, such as the 747 or 767? Or is it after joining that you select the aircraft type, undergo ATP-CTP, and receive simulator training to obtain the qualification?



Q2: How does the salary structure typically work during the ATP-CTP training period?