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Old 07-30-2015, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SamNFTY View Post
So basically, you know the days your on company time. Everything else is a crap shoot. That about right?
Right on the money! Many times throughout this thread you will read that exact thing posted. If one knows, understands and comes to terms with that before arriving here then life will be much more pleasant. If not, then not so much. To all aspirants: PLEASE read and heed. Things will be much easier if you assimilate this bit of truth.
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Old 07-30-2015, 09:53 AM
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Right on the money! Many times throughout this thread you will read that exact thing posted. If one knows, understands and comes to terms with that before arriving here then life will be much more pleasant. If not, then not so much. To all aspirants: PLEASE read and heed. Things will be much easier if you assimilate this bit of truth.
The way I figure it, for 17 days a month I go where I'm told and paid handsomely to do so. Sounds good to me. Add gateway travel on top to ensure a stress free ride to work and I'm all in! Just waiting on my class date now.
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Old 07-30-2015, 10:18 AM
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It's possible but I don't know my way around the system enough yet to know if it's likely. So here's how you might play to make it more likely: offer to work a few days starting in Europe on days off before your trip begins. If they need you bad enough in Europe they'll do whatever it takes to get you there. If scheduling offers something suitable you take it and leave home early. If not, stay home the extra day or four and fly to ANC as planned. If you don't want to lose days off you might risk bidding lines that begin with R2 reserve. These can go junior and you might talk scheduling into taking you off reserve in ANC to fly to Europe at the last minute. It all depends on how bad they need you and where. The more days off you're willing to trade the better your chances are of getting something that suits your commute.

So we are going to now advocate making deals with scheduling and be willing to do whatever the company wants in order to benefit your own personal situation?

This as so many of us are trying hard every day to hold the company to the CBA by enforcing contactable hours and reserve rules; you are saying that taking trips "at the last minute" and volunteering to work whenever they need you is the way to go. And what about the pilot who bid that line to Europe or Southeast Asia and is then replaced by someone who was already there? To say nothing of trying to maintain an already not-so-transparent open time system...

I know there is a lot of temptation to improve one's own personal situation. However, in these times, let us be mindful of the effects these actions can have on the entire group. We can all have a better situation in the next contract, but it takes a shared mental model now to accomplish it. It can't be "CBA compliance until it hurts me".

All is said in respect, and I hope you enjoy Atlas. Just trying to give the other side of your advice. I realize that living abroad is a totally different deal, but we still have to play under the same set of rules.
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Old 07-30-2015, 10:37 AM
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The way I figure it, for 17 days a month I go where I'm told and paid handsomely to do so. Sounds good to me. Add gateway travel on top to ensure a stress free ride to work and I'm all in! Just waiting on my class date now.
This was how all my friends at Atlas explained it to me. You bid your block of days because trips will change.
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Old 07-30-2015, 10:54 AM
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Fadec there are better ways of getting to work from international destination then what you suggested.
Right on elusive napkin.
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Old 07-30-2015, 03:26 PM
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Got the call earlier this week for the Aug. 10th class, 747. Excited to get started!

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Old 07-30-2015, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SamNFTY View Post
The way I figure it, for 17 days a month I go where I'm told and paid handsomely to do so. Sounds good to me. Add gateway travel on top to ensure a stress free ride to work and I'm all in! Just waiting on my class date now.
Congrats Sam.

And your assessment is almost spot on - except for the "paid handsomely" part
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Old 07-30-2015, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fadec View Post
It's possible but I don't know my way around the system enough yet to know if it's likely. So here's how you might play to make it more likely: offer to work a few days starting in Europe on days off before your trip begins. If they need you bad enough in Europe they'll do whatever it takes to get you there. If scheduling offers something suitable you take it and leave home early. If not, stay home the extra day or four and fly to ANC as planned. If you don't want to lose days off you might risk bidding lines that begin with R2 reserve. These can go junior and you might talk scheduling into taking you off reserve in ANC to fly to Europe at the last minute. It all depends on how bad they need you and where. The more days off you're willing to trade the better your chances are of getting something that suits your commute.
To follow up on what Napkin said (+1), Work the system to the best advantage for yourself, but be sure it's within the confines of the contract. There are hundreds of us out here working our assses off to ensure that Atlas is held in compliance to the CBA. There are also a couple of dozen outliers who are greedy and don't see the big picture. This is about unity.

New hires - especially - should strictly adhere to the contract. You will be hung out to dry by the company in a New York heartbeat if you miss an assignment due to some sort of creative non-compliant scheduling deal.

All we have is each other to watch our backs. All we have is the contract to fall back on if a situation falls apart.

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Old 07-30-2015, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
To follow up on what Napkin said (+1), Work the system to the best advantage for yourself, but be sure it's within the confines of the contract. There are hundreds of us out here working our assses off to ensure that Atlas is held in compliance to the CBA. There are also a couple of dozen outliers who are greedy and don't see the big picture. This is about unity.

New hires - especially - should strictly adhere to the contract. You will be hung out to dry by the company in a New York heartbeat if you miss an assignment due to some sort of creative non-compliant scheduling deal.

All we have is each other to watch our backs. All we have is the contract to fall back on if a situation falls apart.

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This is the second post referring to the contract without explaining what I suggested would be non-contractual. What is non-contractual about VXing a few days before the trip?
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Old 07-30-2015, 05:26 PM
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Atlas Air Adding Freighter Capacity on Robust Outlook - WSJ

Looks like another good year...............so far
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