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Old 02-16-2016 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv
I came to Atlas for the exact reasons you mentioned. My regional was dying and it wasn't worth starting over.

Will you make more here? I had RJ captains in my new hire class who were breaking $100k pretty easily. I've been here 4.5 years and didn't break $80k last year. (although if hired into the 747 I would've by now)

Will you upgrade here? Currently it's below 5 years for both airplanes. I was promised a 2-year upgrade at the regionals. It took 6 and lasted less than a year. Here, you'll have 1300 guys ahead of you (not including Southern guys). How long will it take you?

Will Atlas make you more marketable? You could come here and get the 767 type and apply to FedEx, like every other 767 pilot here has done. (They've hired three of us so far!) Does a 747 type get interview boards all hot and bothered? Sure, coming here means you can pretty much handle anything, anywhere - but does that make you more qualified for flying narrow-body passenger hub turns than, say, an RJ guy who already flies narrow-body passenger hub turns 5 times a day? Is FO time here more valuable than CA, LCA, sim instructor time at the regionals?

Those are interesting questions for all of us.
I was recently at the NGPA event in PSP. I flat out told the recruiter I had a date with Atlas and asked what would be more favored, stay at my regional or split for Atlas. He said Atlas, but then walked over and asked the head of pilot hiring at Delta who was also in attendance. The head honcho also said leave the regional. That is why I am coming. Honestly I hope that Atlas ends up with a great contract and I can call it my forever airline, but I am not blind to the fact that it may simply be a stepping stone to add some weight to my resume so that Delta or FedEx take note and give me some attention.
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Old 02-16-2016 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BYOB
I was recently at the NGPA event in PSP. I flat out told the recruiter I had a date with Atlas and asked what would be more favored, stay at my regional or split for Atlas. He said Atlas, but then walked over and asked the head of pilot hiring at Delta who was also in attendance. The head honcho also said leave the regional. That is why I am coming. Honestly I hope that Atlas ends up with a great contract and I can call it my forever airline, but I am not blind to the fact that it may simply be a stepping stone to add some weight to my resume so that Delta or FedEx take note and give me some attention.

This is nothing new- airliners merge, mgmt positions itself. Do you really expect Mgmt to bend over and give you your due- or to say, "your right here is a a check" The union starts high, the CO starts even lower. I highly doubt any mgmt team would risk a catastrophic meltdown with a less than status qou contract in today's climate. It's not worth the risk.

For decades pilots have been fighting a war with mgmt- and this will never change. It's the sole responsibility of the pilots to stand together to achieve the common goal.
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Old 02-16-2016 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv
So, you had 1200+ hours in November, just got hired onto the E-175 at Skywest, and yet couldn't be bothered to "sift through 1500 pages of mostly rant and negative comments" to learn about Skywest before accepting a job.

Boy, are you gonna love it here!

Actually, I'm going to save you a lot of work. Show up at the next job fair Atlas attends. (Hopefully, someone will look up it up for you!) Ask the questions you asked above. For extra credit, ask what kinds of jets we fly and what our uniform hats look like. Make sure you bring enough clothes for two months as they'll likely skip the interview and put you on a plane for... Hey, does anybody know where Atlas does their training?

Damn it, where is that like button?...but I like, I like...and damn, I owe you another beer (you're collecting them from everywhere!!).
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Old 02-17-2016 | 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BYOB
I was recently at the NGPA event in PSP. I flat out told the recruiter I had a date with Atlas and asked what would be more favored, stay at my regional or split for Atlas. He said Atlas, but then walked over and asked the head of pilot hiring at Delta who was also in attendance. The head honcho also said leave the regional. That is why I am coming. Honestly I hope that Atlas ends up with a great contract and I can call it my forever airline, but I am not blind to the fact that it may simply be a stepping stone to add some weight to my resume so that Delta or FedEx take note and give me some attention.
I've got two words for you... amal gamation.. But keep holding out for that "great contract". Your new management is about to bend you over so hard.
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Old 02-17-2016 | 05:07 AM
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Just getting sick of the negativity. Been here with IV for 4+ years. Life is pretty good, and I am on the 767. Please don't bring this nonsense into the flight deck, I don't want to hear it. You got time to post your rants, then you got time to work on a committee.
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Old 02-17-2016 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by White Cap
Just getting sick of the negativity. Been here with IV for 4+ years. Life is pretty good, and I am on the 767. Please don't bring this nonsense into the flight deck, I don't want to hear it. You got time to post your rants, then you got time to work on a committee.

Couldn't agree more. Way too much negative bs.
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Old 02-17-2016 | 06:40 AM
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Too much negativity is true. This is exactly what mngt wants, and what f&h advise them to do (Divise the group, create emotional chaos). If you really like this job, then you'll have to fight for it to be right (unfortunately). And that start by getting your voice, you message heard by your union, stand behind them, fly the cba, stop flying vx, hold the company accountable, etc...
Now, if going to go work elsewhere is your plan then great, but while you're here, keep your head cold, and fight for your job.
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Old 02-17-2016 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tuktukdriver
Too much negativity is true. This is exactly what mngt wants, and what f&h advise them to do (Divise the group, create emotional chaos). If you really like this job, then you'll have to fight for it to be right (unfortunately). And that start by getting your voice, you message heard by your union, stand behind them, fly the cba, stop flying vx, hold the company accountable, etc...
Now, if going to go work elsewhere is your plan then great, but while you're here, keep your head cold, and fight for your job.

I got no problem with people flying vx. There will always be a certain a percentage of the pilot group that does no matter what. Whether you vx because you want a new jet ski or to pay for kids college tuition, either way, it's none of my business. Not to mention if your turned in for harassing or intimidating another crew member for flying vx, your all but guaranteed to be terminated for it and the union can't save you since they don't condone it all.
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Old 02-17-2016 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FrancesTheMute
I got no problem with people flying vx. There will always be a certain a percentage of the pilot group that does no matter what. Whether you vx because you want a new jet ski or to pay for kids college tuition, either way, it's none of my business. Not to mention if your turned in for harassing or intimidating another crew member for flying vx, your all but guaranteed to be terminated for it and the union can't save you since they don't condone it all.
I agree that harassing people on vx flying is wrong, and have no problems with it in normal times.
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Old 02-17-2016 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by White Cap
Just getting sick of the negativity. Been here with IV for 4+ years. Life is pretty good, and I am on the 767. Please don't bring this nonsense into the flight deck, I don't want to hear it. You got time to post your rants, then you got time to work on a committee.
I've been reading and active on this thread for a very long time. I've had my application in for years before I finally received the interview and job offer. The negativity on this thread as of late is appalling and I honestly considered turning down the job offer because of it. I went back and read all of the negative posts and who was posting what and I realized it's the same group of people. Some of whom I read their first posts about receiving the CJO and how thrilled they were, just as I am. I read their posts about how much they love the flying and the crews. One day all of that changed and they became bitter and angry. That one small group of Atlas pilots can't represent the entire population. I start class on the 22nd. I hope that management does the right thing and realizes the climate in the industry and that they offer a contract that is commensurate or better for the flying that Atlas does. While I take that chance by leaving my cushy left seat CRJ gig, you can bet your ass that will be ALL IN, I will fly the CBA, and I won't let all the negativity into the cockpit when it's my turn in the rotation up front. Positive thoughts, teamwork, pride and respect for the job we do and for each other....this is what it will take to put pressure on management and F&H and make them sweat rather than the other way around. The pilots of Atlas are more than 1250 strong in numbers. Atlas has 2,000 employees. Think about that. More than 65% of the labor force that makes Atlas tick are the pilots. Standing together, unified, all in, we can make the next CBA better than imagined, especially with the record profits that Atlas has been posting, the attrition rate, and the amount of hiring that legacy carriers are doing and will continue to do in the coming years.

You can ***** and moan or you can stand together and do something about it and be a positive impact on the place you work and your career. The choice is yours. I know where I stand and I'm not going to allow anyone to change my mind. I'm bigger than that and a hell of a lot stronger in the mind to allow that to happen.

-BYOB
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