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02-17-2016 | 10:48 PM
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White Cap, I know you've been there and done that at previous carriers, certainly you've fought more fights than I ever will, and you have my respect.
But since I serve on several committees...
This web board is about educating future Atlas pilots (and maybe even some current ones). I have helped a number of friends get hired here and will continue to do so, but they'll hear about the good, the bad and the ugly, which is exactly what I try to do by posting here.
Sick of the negativity? Don't want to hear it? That's your choice. I do everything I can to enjoy my time here - with great crews and great layovers and even when a particular crew or layover isn't so great.
But I've got to be honest, things have taken a turn recently. A few months ago, I was pretty upbeat. With a united pilot group, I figured we had a good shot at greatly improving our lot here, despite having a CBA that pays 40% less than industry standard (Southern's bankruptcy CBA pays 60% less). Even after the Southern deal was announced, I was optimistic. Handled properly (like the Delta-NWA merger), it could be a boon for all parties involved, management, Atlas and Southern pilots.
But that's not the direction they've said they want to take. An amalgamated contract would be a death blow to the idea of this being my job until retirement. What frustrates me most is that this could be such a kick-a$$ job. But what's been holding us back so far? The pilots? Nope, it's the multiple, repeated failures from HQ, who make the same mistakes over and over, no matter how many times we tell them about it. And now they want to take this crappy contract and weaken it even further? I guess I just don't see how that doesn't get everyone fired up. What more would it take?
But, back to your point, I can get my crews up to speed on current events in just a few minutes. As long as my crew wants to talk about this stuff, we'll talk about it. There's a lot of confusion, misinformation and fear out there. But there's still plenty of time to enjoy the flight, get to know each other and have some fun. I just don't see ignoring the problem as a viable solution.
But since I serve on several committees...
This web board is about educating future Atlas pilots (and maybe even some current ones). I have helped a number of friends get hired here and will continue to do so, but they'll hear about the good, the bad and the ugly, which is exactly what I try to do by posting here.
Sick of the negativity? Don't want to hear it? That's your choice. I do everything I can to enjoy my time here - with great crews and great layovers and even when a particular crew or layover isn't so great.
But I've got to be honest, things have taken a turn recently. A few months ago, I was pretty upbeat. With a united pilot group, I figured we had a good shot at greatly improving our lot here, despite having a CBA that pays 40% less than industry standard (Southern's bankruptcy CBA pays 60% less). Even after the Southern deal was announced, I was optimistic. Handled properly (like the Delta-NWA merger), it could be a boon for all parties involved, management, Atlas and Southern pilots.
But that's not the direction they've said they want to take. An amalgamated contract would be a death blow to the idea of this being my job until retirement. What frustrates me most is that this could be such a kick-a$$ job. But what's been holding us back so far? The pilots? Nope, it's the multiple, repeated failures from HQ, who make the same mistakes over and over, no matter how many times we tell them about it. And now they want to take this crappy contract and weaken it even further? I guess I just don't see how that doesn't get everyone fired up. What more would it take?
But, back to your point, I can get my crews up to speed on current events in just a few minutes. As long as my crew wants to talk about this stuff, we'll talk about it. There's a lot of confusion, misinformation and fear out there. But there's still plenty of time to enjoy the flight, get to know each other and have some fun. I just don't see ignoring the problem as a viable solution.
02-17-2016 | 11:07 PM
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02-18-2016 | 04:47 AM
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White Cap, I know you've been there and done that at previous carriers, certainly you've fought more fights than I ever will, and you have my respect.
But since I serve on several committees...
This web board is about educating future Atlas pilots (and maybe even some current ones). I have helped a number of friends get hired here and will continue to do so, but they'll hear about the good, the bad and the ugly, which is exactly what I try to do by posting here.
Sick of the negativity? Don't want to hear it? That's your choice. I do everything I can to enjoy my time here - with great crews and great layovers and even when a particular crew or layover isn't so great.
But I've got to be honest, things have taken a turn recently. A few months ago, I was pretty upbeat. With a united pilot group, I figured we had a good shot at greatly improving our lot here, despite having a CBA that pays 40% less than industry standard (Southern's bankruptcy CBA pays 60% less). Even after the Southern deal was announced, I was optimistic. Handled properly (like the Delta-NWA merger), it could be a boon for all parties involved, management, Atlas and Southern pilots.
But that's not the direction they've said they want to take. An amalgamated contract would be a death blow to the idea of this being my job until retirement. What frustrates me most is that this could be such a kick-a$$ job. But what's been holding us back so far? The pilots? Nope, it's the multiple, repeated failures from HQ, who make the same mistakes over and over, no matter how many times we tell them about it. And now they want to take this crappy contract and weaken it even further? I guess I just don't see how that doesn't get everyone fired up. What more would it take?
But, back to your point, I can get my crews up to speed on current events in just a few minutes. As long as my crew wants to talk about this stuff, we'll talk about it. There's a lot of confusion, misinformation and fear out there. But there's still plenty of time to enjoy the flight, get to know each other and have some fun. I just don't see ignoring the problem as a viable solution.
But since I serve on several committees...
This web board is about educating future Atlas pilots (and maybe even some current ones). I have helped a number of friends get hired here and will continue to do so, but they'll hear about the good, the bad and the ugly, which is exactly what I try to do by posting here.
Sick of the negativity? Don't want to hear it? That's your choice. I do everything I can to enjoy my time here - with great crews and great layovers and even when a particular crew or layover isn't so great.
But I've got to be honest, things have taken a turn recently. A few months ago, I was pretty upbeat. With a united pilot group, I figured we had a good shot at greatly improving our lot here, despite having a CBA that pays 40% less than industry standard (Southern's bankruptcy CBA pays 60% less). Even after the Southern deal was announced, I was optimistic. Handled properly (like the Delta-NWA merger), it could be a boon for all parties involved, management, Atlas and Southern pilots.
But that's not the direction they've said they want to take. An amalgamated contract would be a death blow to the idea of this being my job until retirement. What frustrates me most is that this could be such a kick-a$$ job. But what's been holding us back so far? The pilots? Nope, it's the multiple, repeated failures from HQ, who make the same mistakes over and over, no matter how many times we tell them about it. And now they want to take this crappy contract and weaken it even further? I guess I just don't see how that doesn't get everyone fired up. What more would it take?
But, back to your point, I can get my crews up to speed on current events in just a few minutes. As long as my crew wants to talk about this stuff, we'll talk about it. There's a lot of confusion, misinformation and fear out there. But there's still plenty of time to enjoy the flight, get to know each other and have some fun. I just don't see ignoring the problem as a viable solution.
This is a well thought out post and I appreciate the concise summary of the situation. But I think most of us new hires understand the situation, have opinions, and are committed to doing our part in making it a better place. The problem is that some people are selfishly using this NEW HIRE THREAD as their vector to take a p1ss on... something, someone.
Atlas might not be going through its best moment, but it is still a big milestone for a lot of us. I feel very happy that I am taking this step in my life, just like I am sure all of you did. Yet this seems to bother some people, even though I am sure they went through the same when they were new-hires. Just because we are not already frustrated by management practices doesn't mean we are naive, and just because we are happy to be joining the team doesn't mean we are insolent.
By this point all of us have a history dealing with managements, some of it very toxic. We are not children, we are all professionals. So yes, it's getting old very quickly to come to this thread for *practical* information to make our lives easier at the start, only to be condescended to by some because they felt their shouting would get more attention here than in the other thread created for that specific discussion.
02-18-2016 | 05:22 AM
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Nice BYOB!
I like the way you looked cleanly through the rhetoric and pressed on with your plans for you and for Atlas.
As much as the talk makes you think it is a sinking ship and the rats are jumping overboard you can bet your life that it will not be that bad at all...
Mgmt. is greedy and divisive towards the pilots right now, that is their job and they do it well, you can't let emotions get in the way of that. Got to keep an eye on the ball.
With that said, management is probably keenly aware of the gun they are playing with is loaded and if they force a substandard contract on the pilots, then they will have everything to lose. There will be no manpower left to move their planes and bring their plans for future expansion into fruition.
They (management) have to be careful too. Simply said...
I like the way you looked cleanly through the rhetoric and pressed on with your plans for you and for Atlas.
As much as the talk makes you think it is a sinking ship and the rats are jumping overboard you can bet your life that it will not be that bad at all...
Mgmt. is greedy and divisive towards the pilots right now, that is their job and they do it well, you can't let emotions get in the way of that. Got to keep an eye on the ball.
With that said, management is probably keenly aware of the gun they are playing with is loaded and if they force a substandard contract on the pilots, then they will have everything to lose. There will be no manpower left to move their planes and bring their plans for future expansion into fruition.
They (management) have to be careful too. Simply said...
02-18-2016 | 06:14 AM
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The glass is obviously always half empty...
No contradictions there. Stating that as bleak as some posters make it out there is still a semblance of leverage and a good chance of something better than what the doom and gloomers suggest, providing the group is unified and can stand together.
If you seek contradictions, the recent pages are full of it. My outlook is cautiously optimistic for the (combined) Atlas pilots following a determined effort and standing their ground.
You obviously don't have much stock in what the (combined) Atlas pilots are trying to accomplish, much to the success of managements divisive tactics. If you do, perhaps look at what can be achieved by striving for a unified goal and look long and deep at what could be a positive outcome, seen from the pilot's perspective.
At no point is it implied that the company is screwed but the sky isn't falling. Don't put words in my mouth.
02-18-2016 | 06:47 AM
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I agree. Some of our captains also think that putting in an app to another carrier means that they will call you next week, begging for your interest. Fix what you can here, if you leave in the future, so be it.
IV, I also try to get everyone up to speed with what is happening at the committee level. There is a lot of misinformation. We will get there eventually, despite company rhetoric. A lot of reputations are riding on this contract, and we have a decent war chest. It is funny, I can't stand the negativity, but then I can't stop looking at this thread.
BYOB, we will see you on Monday at 3pm.
02-18-2016 | 06:55 AM
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Hmmm...
The glass is obviously always half empty...
No contradictions there. Stating that as bleak as some posters make it out there is still a semblance of leverage and a good chance of something better than what the doom and gloomers suggest, providing the group is unified and can stand together.
If you seek contradictions, the recent pages are full of it. My outlook is cautiously optimistic for the (combined) Atlas pilots following a determined effort and standing their ground.
You obviously don't have much stock in what the (combined) Atlas pilots are trying to accomplish, much to the success of managements divisive tactics. If you do, perhaps look at what can be achieved by striving for a unified goal and look long and deep at what could be a positive outcome, seen from the pilot's perspective.
At no point is it implied that the company is screwed but the sky isn't falling. Don't put words in my mouth.
The glass is obviously always half empty...
No contradictions there. Stating that as bleak as some posters make it out there is still a semblance of leverage and a good chance of something better than what the doom and gloomers suggest, providing the group is unified and can stand together.
If you seek contradictions, the recent pages are full of it. My outlook is cautiously optimistic for the (combined) Atlas pilots following a determined effort and standing their ground.
You obviously don't have much stock in what the (combined) Atlas pilots are trying to accomplish, much to the success of managements divisive tactics. If you do, perhaps look at what can be achieved by striving for a unified goal and look long and deep at what could be a positive outcome, seen from the pilot's perspective.
At no point is it implied that the company is screwed but the sky isn't falling. Don't put words in my mouth.
02-18-2016 | 09:00 AM
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The new contract WILL be better. It will not be any moving ALL the pilots at Atlas/Southern to the Southern contract, as some pilots have suggested. If something even close to this happened, there would be SO MANY pilots leaving, and SO FEW new hires, that the company would be forced to change it's tune in short order.
BUT, incrementally better, or REALLY better???
That is the multi-million dollar question.
BUT, incrementally better, or REALLY better???
That is the multi-million dollar question.
02-18-2016 | 10:32 AM
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The new contract WILL be better. It will not be any moving ALL the pilots at Atlas/Southern to the Southern contract, as some pilots have suggested. If something even close to this happened, there would be SO MANY pilots leaving, and SO FEW new hires, that the company would be forced to change it's tune in short order.
BUT, incrementally better, or REALLY better???
That is the multi-million dollar question.
BUT, incrementally better, or REALLY better???
That is the multi-million dollar question.
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