Well considering that I was offered to resign and not fired, they knew it was a possible unlawful situation. As I mentioned and discussed with CaptainV, my colleges and even a few instructors were surprised of the disposition. Thanks.

 

It's also much simpler for the employer to fight unemployment insurance claims if you resign.

If they wanted to terminate your employment after investing that much time and money in you they had good reason. It might benefit you to take a good look in the mirror and figure out what they saw that you didn't. I know absolutely nothing about you or your situation so please dont take this as a personal attack, rather a suggestion from someone who has seen both sides of this equation.

Jim

 

Are you still trying to get on at Allegiant?

 

Interviewed : 1/20
Made the list : 1/22
Called for class : 3/25
Class Date : 04/04

 

Super awesome! Have a great time! I'm in the same boat, minus the class date. What fleet? Hope to see many familiar faces when i get there.

L45D

 

What V says may be true, but Atlas has, in the recent past, had instructors/check airmen who would frequently bust people on check rides. Some of this was due to the fact that the training at Atlas was unlike ANY other airline that I have ever been at or heard of. Atlas is the ONLY airline that did not teach me systems or profiles. You have to teach yourself virtually everything. Group study helps, but is sometimes complicated by new hires who lead a group down an incorrect path due to previously learned (from other employers) methods or techniques. It is a real "fend for yourself" situation.

This was complicated by the fact that there are many, many different "techniques" within the Atlas schoolhouse that the check airmen could disagree with on a case-by-case basis.

Topping all of this off was the example of the check airman who was fired from the training center because he told a new hire, as they walked off of the sim after a failed check ride (paraphrasing here) "well I guess you can forget all about going to that Delta interview, now". This attitude was not unique to this particular guy, either.

While the overall attitude within the schoolhouse has improved a bit with the installment of the new director (and the direction from management to hire like crazy to mitigate the constant resignations), the pathetic training system has not. It is still up to the new hire to teach him or her self virtually everything.

Good luck and don't forget that there are still career destination airlines who have professional training centers where they aren't afraid to spend the extra few dollars to actually teach you what you need to know to bring you up to their standards. Just don't expect this from Atlas.

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TRUTH! I felt it was a self taught 747 type rating. The "techscedures" once you get out on line are even worse than in the training environment. Its amazing what some Captains can invent for that days techscedure. I do believe the amount of techniques taught in the school house have become much much less.

 

For the record, he wasn't fired. (He voluntarily chose to return to line flying, in lieu of...) And he didn't get in trouble for what he might have said to the student after his bust. He got in trouble because he was giving rides that did not fall within PTS standards. Period. And it was pretty much isolated to that one class. I think our busts rates are otherwise uniform, but the training guys would know for sure.

But there absolutely is a wide, wide gap between how we train on the 747 and the 767. The 747 side was, to me, all evaluation and checking. You were given the basics in class, but had to do much if not all of the heavy lifting outside of class. The 767 started out like that when we were at Boeing, but changed once we got our own instructors. It's more of a here's what you need to know to be safe out there instead of a punitive, stump-the-dummy, build the airplane thing.

 

For the record, he did in fact say that.

Let the record also state that he was inventing these off the wall check rides purposefully to make it more difficult to reach the end of the ride unscathed.

 

This is a fact! The 747 program is all about checking and inflating the egos of the CA check airmen. There are however a few FO instructors that are trying very hard to teach, but unfortunately the program was not written to be a good or even close to a teaching course.

The 767 is an excellent teaching program that closely follows most best practices of great airline training courses.

Literally, its like night and day.