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Old 03-25-2016 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv
For the record, he wasn't fired. (He voluntarily chose to return to line flying, in lieu of...) And he didn't get in trouble for what he might have said to the student after his bust. He got in trouble because he was giving rides that did not fall within PTS standards. Period. And it was pretty much isolated to that one class. I think our busts rates are otherwise uniform, but the training guys would know for sure.
OK. He wasn't fired. Should have been ... He pulled the same crap on "a guy I know" and busted him on his first PC in 2011. Stuff well beyond the PTS. And he wasn't alone in this behavior. There are others.

I will say that the newer guys in the training department are trying to bring the quality of instruction up, but they're still stuck working under the same system, so any significant change is impossible.

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Old 03-25-2016 | 11:18 PM
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Do you guys have a pro standards committee?
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Old 03-26-2016 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Treehorn
For the record, he did in fact say that.

Let the record also state that he was inventing these off the wall check rides purposefully to make it more difficult to reach the end of the ride unscathed.

What he said was irrelevant to his bosses and to the union. It was his behavior that lead to his "voluntary" retirement from the sim. I don't know the guy, but buddies had him prior to this and said he was vanilla. That's the real problem - everyone should be getting the exact same type of checkride, no matter who the instructor is.

Rumor has it there may be big changes coming to the TC. Location, potentially.

We have a pro standards committee and a training committee. I haven't worked with pro standards, but we all know a few names who must have files an inch or two thick, if they keep files.

I hate to speak badly of fellow volunteers, but I have yet to be impressed by the training committee's ability to listen/understand/fix problems that are brought to them. (Or perhaps their efforts just fall on deaf ears.) Hopefully others have had better luck.
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Old 03-26-2016 | 05:21 AM
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Below is my opinion only...

Some of the Sim Check Airmen, DEs, and even instructors are company hacks...they feel that they are doing god's work (meaning the Atlas god!!) by sending guys to the line that are "worthy" of flying our 747s. (Are you freaking kidding me?)

They make up their own ****** in checkrides and until recently there was nobody to push back. I'd like to think the new head of our TC is cleaning house of that mentality. It seems to be going in the right direction.

But the disparity between training events and checking events is very real. And therein is the problem if a trainee (even highly experienced line pilots) cannot handle the curve balls that will surely be hurled at him/her in the 747 program.

Good luck to those making their way through the 747 program...it is NOT easy, and made complicated by the multiple instructor changes, and the resultant differences or gaps in the program.

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Old 03-26-2016 | 04:16 PM
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All of that aside. Like I have stated, Atlas Air is a bad slot machine that will never pay out. Use your head here people. Stay where you are at and go to another place that pays. Dont use Atlas as a stepping stone, stay where you are and move on to a company that gives a sh/t about you. Trust me after 9 years here our management doesnt give 2 sh/ts about you or your family...again, you have been warned......
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Old 03-27-2016 | 04:18 AM
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You know all this is a shame, you guys were the shining light of ACMI,I loved my time at K4,but with your compensation , Dreamlifter, -8 , and trip , and duty rigs, you were the Yankees to our Mets ( not last year : ) )I hope and pray that you, my brother, and sister freight dogs prevail in your upcoming struggle, and that you receive the CBA you rightfully deserve. I have many friends at GIANT, peace out, Happy Easter, !!!
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Old 03-27-2016 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 727C47
You know all this is a shame, you guys were the shining light of ACMI,I loved my time at K4,but with your compensation , Dreamlifter, -8 , and trip , and duty rigs, you were the Yankees to our Mets ( not last year : ) )I hope and pray that you, my brother, and sister freight dogs prevail in your upcoming struggle, and that you receive the CBA you rightfully deserve. I have many friends at GIANT, peace out, Happy Easter, !!!
Wait!? We got a duty rig?? Sweet!!

Thanks for the good wishes. Happy Easter to you and yours as well.
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Old 03-27-2016 | 02:08 PM
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Anybody from the interview week of March 21st heard anything yet? Not that I expect my response to be positive, I'm just wondering how the rest of the field fared.
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Old 03-27-2016 | 02:18 PM
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I was there on the 22nd. Nothing yet. Hoping to hear something over the next couple days.
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Old 03-27-2016 | 05:55 PM
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I was there on the 23rd. I haven't heard anything.
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