Whether someone chooses to come or not is their call, but this quote is not evident from the past 7-8 months at least. I went through 747 training Dec-Feb and we had a class of 20. One had to redo the oral, and one had to redo the type ride. We did have another who failed an oral twice in the Sept class rolled back with us, retrained, passed the oral, but could not get recommended for the type ride. In my opinion, 30% would be extreme and unlikely. The training dept does all they can to get you through and give extra time if needed. It is not the best ground systems training on the 747 side and takes some self-teaching and group study, but no one is trying to bust you on the rides.

 

Oh, it's happened. Very close to your hire date, in fact.

 

Do you think this is a result of changes in the training, or of Atlas beginning to accept less experienced new hires?

 

I wouldn't want to speculate on the reasons. We all have different backgrounds and the HR department has there various reasons for who they hire.

When I went through 3 years ago we only had 1 type ride bust. Re check without issue.

Having said that though we all found that it was a self study course. During the 2d week we started to schedule groups to meet and study the material together. We rotated members through each group so we got various points of view and ideas spread evenly through the class. Coming from the military I didn't have a clue as to what acronym went with which book or which one to start reading first. The 2d week we had a great instructor who finally told us what to study each night for review the next day and that's when it started to click for many of us. Otherwise it was basically...here are the books learn how to build me a 747 from matchsticks and legos. That was 3 years ago but it doesn't sound like much has changed.

 

Well I interviewed today, was wondering if anyone ever had someone do SOOOOOOO bad on the interview but was still asked to attend a class. That's how I feel right now.

 

Congrats on the class date! When did they call?

Anyone else hear anything?

L45D

 

Actually, he is a hoot to fly with...I'll vouch for him any day. Maybe the sarcasm doesn't translate on these interwebs...so, let's not shoot the messenger please.

 

Actually, that too is incorrect... If the runway length/conditions are different and a different flap setting is required, V2 will also change in addition to V1 and Vr. So basically, depending on the length of the new runway and its conditions (braking action, winds, slope, etc...) all your numbers can/will change or they may possibly remain the same, depending on the situation.

 

It's been that way since April 2010 when I came on board. This has always been a 'self starter' sort of curriculum. The classes that figure that out and band together do well.

 

Defend the guy, but come on. Not really a shooting the messenger situation, that doesn't apply here. He who argues for demonizing asking an undergrad question on a grad level airplane should be given pause. There are too many of these types in aviation already, and that number is fortunately diminishing. If it was sarcasm, it wasn't clear. I don't advocate for being abrasive in the face of someone coming to me with a question, and neither do you, based on your previous posts. Especially someone coming from Atlas' firehose cooperate-to-graduate training. I welcome questions in the flight deck, because I know that anyone who asks has a pilot's natural ego to get past, and we'll both come away from it with more understanding than we went in. It's nothing personal. I just can't stand the "don't ask me any questions, YOU should show up fully qualified with complete systems knowledge or get out of the seat" attitude. I'm sure others agree that's not something that bodes well in a crew.


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