Atlas Air Hiring
03-17-2016, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BYOB
True event. There are 31 new hires that can attest to this and more as witnesses.
I have heard someone in your class filed a grievance against an instructor. Is there any truth to this?
03-17-2016, 12:17 PM
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2013
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Originally Posted by BYOB
True event. There are 31 new hires that can attest to this and more as witnesses.
Not saying that "at will employees" thing didn't happen, but as far as my class goes, it has been the complete opposite. They have been smooth talking us all the way through.
All in.
03-17-2016, 12:23 PM
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Ex USAF, ex-ATA , currently Atlas Air 747 CA
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Originally Posted by BYOB
When you go, ask pointed questions such as, "why are there no line pilots participating in the interview?"
"I've heard from previous interview groups that a line pilot will come in and talk to the interviewees about life as an Atlas pilot between our interviews and over lunch, when will that pilot be here?"
"I understand that managment intends to amalgamate the Atlas and SAI contract and reduce the earning potential of the combined pilots in a looming pilot shortage, is that correct?"
I'm serious, ask those questions.
"I've heard from previous interview groups that a line pilot will come in and talk to the interviewees about life as an Atlas pilot between our interviews and over lunch, when will that pilot be here?"
"I understand that managment intends to amalgamate the Atlas and SAI contract and reduce the earning potential of the combined pilots in a looming pilot shortage, is that correct?"
I'm serious, ask those questions.
03-17-2016, 02:01 PM
Derp...
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 386
Originally Posted by Tacos
Seriously? You're class has caused some of its own issues. Not all management's (specifically MIA training center) fault. Don't be so dramatic.
I have heard someone in your class filed a grievance against an instructor. Is there any truth to this?
I have heard someone in your class filed a grievance against an instructor. Is there any truth to this?
As far as our class "causing" anything, it was nothing like that. Class 2/22/2016 simply asked questions and had some concerns over the complete lack of systems being taught. Someone brought that up and that is what started the fracas. Regardless of what transpired, no pilots (or any employee) should have management threaten them.
I wasn't being dramatic. I'm verifying as fact that our class was reminded we are "at-will" and that Atlas has no problem sending any of us home and that they have plenty of applications on file.
03-17-2016, 02:04 PM
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Position: 747
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Yes, the "at will employee" speech really did happen and it wasn't about amalgamation and he wasn't kidding.
Now, the latest volley from the "big guns" at in Miami is the cease and desist order they gave to the pilot (who shall remain nameless) who has been producing the excellent guides used my many of us to supplement the meager information that is supplied by the Atlas checking center. With no explanation from the company, I can only assume that they are doing it because they're "going to show us who's boss now". Next, they'll be taking the sun visors from the cockpits ... because they can.
Now, the latest volley from the "big guns" at in Miami is the cease and desist order they gave to the pilot (who shall remain nameless) who has been producing the excellent guides used my many of us to supplement the meager information that is supplied by the Atlas checking center. With no explanation from the company, I can only assume that they are doing it because they're "going to show us who's boss now". Next, they'll be taking the sun visors from the cockpits ... because they can.
03-17-2016, 02:07 PM
Derp...
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 386
Originally Posted by Talon1011
Good grief. Those are questions to be asked by those of us already here here and ready to fight the battle. Bad advice to someone who seriously does want to work here. They might as well show up in a Delta uniform or ask if it's true that Flynn's daughter is available.
My statement was tongue-in-cheek rather than in seriousness. Sarcasm doesn't translate through electronic communications. I think anyone reading these forums should be as informed as possible before they walk into what is going on here.
03-17-2016, 02:32 PM
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: 767
Posts: 84
Originally Posted by Tacos
Seriously? You're class has caused some of its own issues. Not all management's (specifically MIA training center) fault. Don't be so dramatic.
I have heard someone in your class filed a grievance against an instructor. Is there any truth to this?
I have heard someone in your class filed a grievance against an instructor. Is there any truth to this?
03-17-2016, 03:19 PM
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Position: MD-11
Posts: 245
Originally Posted by Talon1011
Good grief. Those are questions to be asked by those of us already here here and ready to fight the battle. Bad advice to someone who seriously does want to work here. They might as well show up in a Delta uniform or ask if it's true that Flynn's daughter is available.
Is she? 😋
03-17-2016, 08:23 PM
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 386
Originally Posted by qazvick
Management will lie straight to your face. Know this from day 1.
Training is self taught but not presented this way, leaving you directionless and disorganized ESPECIALLY after a horrendous week of "systems training class". You spend 45 hrs on CBTs when everyone preaches Vol 2 FCOM for the Oral exam. (which btw IS highly suggested if you come through training).
When I went through training... There seemed to be a divide in the training department between old school and new school and new school is definitely getting rid of "problem" instructors one by one. All I can say is that their ammo for accomplishing this is to FILL OUT YOUR TRAINING CRITIQUE (which is sanitized by the union) at the end. They seem to be positioning themselves for AQP but boy is that still far out.
Other than that, keep your head down, shut your mouth, cooperate, stay off the radar, and graduate. You will pass. This isnt Kalitta training.
And god have mercy on any soul that goes to ask scheduling dept for a change in their sim schedule.
Ciao
Training is self taught but not presented this way, leaving you directionless and disorganized ESPECIALLY after a horrendous week of "systems training class". You spend 45 hrs on CBTs when everyone preaches Vol 2 FCOM for the Oral exam. (which btw IS highly suggested if you come through training).
When I went through training... There seemed to be a divide in the training department between old school and new school and new school is definitely getting rid of "problem" instructors one by one. All I can say is that their ammo for accomplishing this is to FILL OUT YOUR TRAINING CRITIQUE (which is sanitized by the union) at the end. They seem to be positioning themselves for AQP but boy is that still far out.
Other than that, keep your head down, shut your mouth, cooperate, stay off the radar, and graduate. You will pass. This isnt Kalitta training.
And god have mercy on any soul that goes to ask scheduling dept for a change in their sim schedule.
Ciao
03-17-2016, 08:29 PM
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 22
Originally Posted by BYOB
This pretty much sums up the experience of the 2/22/2016 class and why we complained about the training and were subsequently chewed out. There is no real systems teaching or training. You are quite literally on your own.
Statistically, you will pass.
All in.
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