Turbine1

7/3/1 showed up for the last 747/767/777 classes with still around 60 per month quitting. The bone the company tossed the pilot group with increased new hire pay and LTD hasn’t changed the status quo at all.

Amazon is telegraphing they’re done with Atlas when their CMI contract comes up for renewal May 2023. At one time they owned a quarter of Aawh shares but after Atlas ignored Amazons demand to “get your labor issues in order” we’ve been losing airframes to other carriers and Amazon sold off to where they own around 1% of Atlas shares now. Like Kalitta just did we’ll lose the 767 fleet, and the 500ish pilots that fly those 25 airplanes will be transferred to the 74/77 fleet. That will solve the staffing issue for a few months.

CRJJ

What about the charter and DHL side of the 76 fleet?. I thought those AMC were lucrative. And don't we own most if not all the 76s?.
I see the the 73 going away first if anything. Zero new hires, few guys getting classes at UA/AA.

nitefr8dog

DHL owns the 9 200's Atlas was flying. I know ABX got 2 back and Amerijet is flying 4 or 5.

V8pilot

I'm new here...does the 767 operate domestically or internationally? I would like to appply but would be prefering to fly regional routes only, is this going to be possible?

Elevation

The 767 is 80% domestic. That said you still wind up far from home and tired from time to time. The routes change from time to time too.

V8pilot

Thanks for the info....So you think to guarantee a regional roster it would be better to go for the 737 instead? Or there is a high chance I can bid for regional only on the 767?

Elevation

767 all the way if only because of pay. You can bid Amazon flying and stay domestic, but be prepared for a trip away here and there.

The 737 is a more useful type rating if you plan on leaving, and it is entirely domestic. Lot less money, though.

Keep in mind, I'm just me. Don't base any decisions purely off of me or the internet.

V8pilot

Thanks heaps really appreciate it. My main aim is to fly regionally, but also agree with the difference in pay. I'm 737 rated already, and my preference is the 767....just don't want to fly international routes.

Elevation

Cool. A little bit of bidding should keep you off international routes 95% of the time on the 767.

CRJJ

Just to add some perspective to the conversation. Changes are coming sooner or later, we like them or not, because all this massive hiring everywhere is not sustainable, meaning, in my opinion, you should like the overall operation here at Atlas, willing to fly international if it comes to that, because it seems that's where the money really is.
I'm on the 737 and I'm sure the fleet will disappear sooner or later, because it really pays WAY less than the other fleets, so people don't choose to come here. We do get upgrades from other fleets tho, because then money is "OK" if you are not too ambitious.
Kalitta just announced that they're getting rid of their 76 fleet, and nobody knows if we will follow that trend or not, but the truth is that we can't barely find new hires. As someone said up there, 74/77/76/73 had 7/1/3/0 new hires.
My guess is, and I found many agree with it, that we will eventually be a 747/777 airline, and maybe a few 76s for lucrative charters.

Just food for thought.