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boeingdvr 05-05-2016 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Atrasaty (Post 2122938)
Perfect fit for Florida West. Can see it now, Flynn and his henchmen will blame the Union for "forcing" them to place lift with non-Union FW. DONT FALL FOR IT.

Both the Union and Co need to be very careful - could blow up for both sides. IMO - a good reasonable short term deal, protecting all flying and future flying is in everyone's intrests.

Mannymal 05-05-2016 06:30 AM

I wouldn't put it past them to try, but they'll never be able to staff it under Florida West. Not with the current pilot market. They would have to find the worst wretches in the bottom of the pilot barrel willing to get hired into Florida West, and even they would not be enough.

plift 05-05-2016 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2122947)
Both the Union and Co need to be very careful - could blow up for both sides. IMO - a good reasonable short term deal, protecting all flying and future flying is in everyone's intrests.

No. If we have to burn this place to the ground to get a decent contract, so be it.

Tenacvols 05-05-2016 07:12 AM

How I read the press release is 20 767-300 converted freighters dry leased through Titan, operated CMI through Atlas. Service beginning mid 2016 and fully operational 2018. Dry leases are for 10 years, CMI is for 7 years with provisions to bring it to 10.

Going to need to crew 20 more 767's and stop attrition at the same time to make that happen.....

captainv 05-05-2016 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by Tenacvols (Post 2122981)
Going to need to crew 20 more 767's and stop attrition at the same time to make that happen.....

There'$ an ea$y $olution for thi$.

boeingdvr 05-05-2016 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by plift (Post 2122972)
No. If we have to burn this place to the ground to get a decent contract, so be it.

I've never seen anything look good after being burnt to the ground. Both sides need to check their egos and get a deal done.

plift 05-05-2016 08:14 AM

So are you Atlas management or legal counsel? Or maybe DHL or Amazon's?

If it gets burnt down but we get a decent contract in the process then we can easily rebuild. There is no shortage of customers looking for lift. If it simply gets burnt down, well they've shot themselves in the foot hiring a young pilot group over the last few years. Most of us have plenty of time for a career elsewhere.

Whale Driver 05-05-2016 08:23 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said!

Ludicrous Speed 05-05-2016 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2123012)
I've never seen anything look good after being burnt to the ground. Both sides need to check their egos and get a deal done.

Go back to the break room at F&H and eat some more doughnuts.

There is no ego in standing one's ground for an industry standard or better contract.

I would rather die fighting on my feet than live on my knees. Besides, the jobmarket is on our side and the burned out hull that used to be Atlas will hurt them much more than it would us.

CandlerKid 05-05-2016 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2123012)
I've never seen anything look good after being burnt to the ground. Both sides need to check their egos and get a deal done.

Then show up to the negotiating table! Our egos will be fine when you pay us what we are worth. Until then, best of luck with your marketing campaign. It's failing so far.


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