I interviewed about six months ago and I was not offered a job. Anybody knows if applicants are getting hired on a second try?

Do they stick to the "one year wait before reapplying" rule or could I apply again six months after my first interview?

Is Atlas is hiring for 747 class or just 767?

Thanks

 

As of right now classes for the rest of 2017 are into the 767.

 

Don't forget to put all your expenses on the company credit card.

 

Hey guys I hope I'm not walking into a "**** storm". I'm just asking for some help and advice for my interview scheduled next month. Yes I am aware of the pilot negotiations but coming to Atlas is much much better where I am currently working.


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Not what you were hoping for perhaps - but nevertheless- for your (& others) consideration. As told by a friend:

Imagine a hypothetical world where a nameless, faceless, hypothetical company was locked in a protracted labor battle with their largest hypothetical labor union and have been hypothetically engaging in a full court press of hypothetical workplace abuses, mindless delays, theoretical lawsuits and arbitration demands against said employees & blatant (albeit hypothetical) CBA violations despite a (rumored) ever increasing pilot shortage. Now imagine this hypothetical corporation had a hypothetical Achilles heel in the form of massive attrition which was in sharp contrast to their fantasy growth plans & that their only real saving grace that allows them to simultaneously continue daily operations and continue delaying any serious negotiations...was [drum roll...] attracting fresh bodies to fill the seats...hypothetically that is. As long as the hypothetical businessmen at said hypothetical company can keep all the theoretical metal moving they have little to no need, or desire, to bargain in good faith with this imaginary pilot union. Now further imagine if the hypothetical potential candidates hypothetically decided (organically & of their own volition) to no longer reward this (purely hypothetical) bad actor & instead only sought gainful employment at more “enlightened” companies? What would hypothetically happen? How would this hypothetical situation effect this theoretical time-line for the imaginary 1700+ that are locked in this fantastical battle with no end in sight? For the career/industry as a whole? For some added context - Imagine if this hypothetical company had (supposedly) been in business for >25 years and had only allowed their hypothetical pilots to actually vote on a contract only once in that entire quarter of a century. Do you suppose, hypothetically, that barring any significant leverage, these fantasy league businessmen would ever want to change this pattern of allegedly bad & intransigent behavior? And most importantly - isn’t it interesting how in this hypothetical scenario the group with the most power is actually the ones currently on the outside looking in, who can pick & choose where to offer their services, skills & labor ...hypothetically. The choice of short term (relative) pain/inconvenience vs long term gain is a hypothetical conundrum for the shortsighted (if even considered at all) but a pretty clear choice for those with a modicum of situational awareness and a little backbone (made considerably easier in a hot labor market). Hypothetically speaking of course.

Perhaps it’s all just a recurring fever dream, but there are interesting & important choices to be made. May you choose wisely for both yourself & your fellow trade unionists so that this career raises all boats. So to speak.

ps- Allegedly.

 

Don't bother reading all that, well....maybe. Read some, read until you get that queasy feeling like you're not sure if you should pull the trigger. Then let that build a while while you mull over your options. That's what this place is. It's not the best, it's not the worst. And it actually has a happy medium if you live in or near a base and don't suck a big one at bidding. Upside potential is huge. And the guys here that you'll work with are generally a lot cooler than the trolls that come out in these forums. The dynamic for a single 25 year old is probably vastly different than a 46 year old with 6 kids and alimony, other stresses. View it through your own lens, maybe you'll like what you see.

 

Of course the dynamic will be different. The only issue with inviting everyone to come on over and give Atlas a shot is that while these transients are passing through, the rest of us are stuck here (for whatever reason) waging war with the company while we try to hammer out a reasonable contract for ourselves.

Enticing a bunch of new guys to come on over and try Atlas on for size:
1. Shows little appreciation for and understanding of the value of what we do.
2. Shows little understanding of the constant contractual violations that Atlas perpetrates on the pilot group on a daily basis.
3. Shows no understanding of the current state of affairs between our union and Atlas regarding the advantage we should be able to hold during an industry hiring boom with a simultaneous pilot shortage.

The only thing that will bring Atlas to the negotiating table is when the planes stop flying and the only that will happen (short of a strike) is when they run out of pilots to staff them.

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Dude, I'm here, I'm with you, I want a new contract. But you (older guys) need a serious reality check. We are NEVER running out of applicants, EVER. So I sure hope there is another plan.

 

The fact is that Atlas IS having trouble filling classes. Moreover, Atlas is having trouble keeping the new hires that they get.

It's true that pilots are being hired, but the qualifications of some of the applicants we are getting are much lower than they should be for an airline that does what we do. That, combined with the lack of training from the schoolhouse could very well result in a serious incident someday soon.

But the bean counters won't see that until they get slapped with a major violation or they have to write off an airplane as a total loss.

I'm glad you want a new contract. Not a very hard thing to want. But wanting one isn't enough. The union has a multi-faceted approach to their plan of attack and one of them is NOT recruiting pilots to join Atlas.

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This plus 1000....

As a former Atlas pilot who used Atlas to wait out my current employer, I'd much rather fly a 747 around the world then fly an RJ. I will say that I came to Atlas hoping to stay for the long haul, but after 9 months I thought it best to move on and was fortunate enough to have an opportunity with a great company who values their employees. I'd say about 2/3 of the captains that I've flown with here at SWA have said they'd love to have flown the 747. Going to be hard to stop guys from coming over to get a once in a lifetime opportunity to fly the whale while they wait for their dream job.

Just an observation from a former 5Y guy. I hope you guys get the contract that you deserve and are worth. It sounds like you can start to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully that light isn't a runaway locomotive....

Good Luck, I'm pulling for you guys!!!