How many showed up yesterday 4/4?

 

14 out of 28 showed up yesterday for the 747 class. Still better than the 1 that showed up for the last 767 class.

BayBum

 

Before applying to Atlas/Southern ask yourself these questions.

Do you mind making 60 to 70% less pay and benefits flying a 74 or 76 than your peers flying a 73 or A320 at any other airline?

Do you mind working worldwide 18 to 21 days a month while your domestic peers work 12 to 14?

Do you mind having no control over your schedule other than what day you leave home to start your trips and having your seniority mean nothing?

Do you mind being at the only U.S. airline that withholds hundreds out of your check every month for imputed income on the cost of airline tickets to and from your base and hotels in base?

Do you mind having to reconcile all your hotel stays and other expenses every month? If your report goes missing ( as happens ) or you forget a receipt the company will apply imputed income for the entire amount that month and withhold the taxes from your pay.

Do you mind being required to be in position at a minimum 10 hours prior to the start of your first duty start time and if there are no airline flights early enough to position you’ll have to travel the day before, unpaid?

Do you mind punitive sick leave, vacation and training? ( you will be at min guarantee for any month having those ).

Do you mind working under a CBA that is now below most regional CBA’s and far far below any mainline or LCC contract?

Do you mind working for the ONLY airline in North America that is not allowing their pilots to vote on a CBA...and if mgt prevails in court this fall, never get to vote on one in the future?

Do you mind waiting possibly 3 years for the next contract to be imposed by an arbitrator, not negotiated... only to work for another decade at 60% or more below industry standard again?

Do you mind waiting behind over 1000 FO’s to upgrade at a nearly stagnant fleet now, and then build 1000 TPIC at the low rates we fly yearly?

Do you mind having no virtually no scope protection? The company can be broken up and sold off and/or your job can be outsourced at any time and you will be on the street.

If none of that matters then by all means apply. You may get a class all to yourself as happened two weeks ago on the 767.

 

Couple questions:
When did Atlas leave ALPA?


Has there been discussion to rejoin to assist with getting a contract done?

What is the basic framework the company sent to the union recently?

 

Left ALPA in 2008. No serious talk of returning. Management made major unacceptable changes to the latest framework proposal. They reneged on every provision of the 2018 framework agreement. It’s just a “show” to attract and keep pilots with false hope until the amalgamation ruling.

 

In the ACMI world Kalitta, Omni, and ATI have new contracts. The worst of the three was negotiated by ALPA. That was also the newest of the three so you’d think they’d at least be able to match the other two.

No thanks.

 

Can anyone here who LIKES Atlas please PM me? If you post something positive here you’ll be accused of being a recruiter or a troll.
I understand there are issues, as there are everywhere; for Christ sake there are people saying “don’t go to Delta.”
I know Atlas has issues; but surely there are people who find the positive in the company.

 

I just LOVE the ex-DAL/NWA managers who took the early retirement and came to Atlas to push us around.

 

Unless you enjoy being away from home a lot(legitimately 17-20 days a month) the only way Atlas is enjoyable is if you live in ANC on the 74, MIA is good for locals too but takes a bit of seniority to hold it. Or live in CVG or ONT on the 76, or some other special scenario on the 76 where you’re doing hub turns with outstation layovers where you live. You’ll get some extra days off at home on layovers in those cases so quality of life is better but you’re still paid well below industry standard and have no contractual protections guaranteeing those in base layovers will hold up. Or in the case of 76 outstation layovers no guarantee that route will stay with Atlas, they sometimes swap things around between DHL and Amazon contractors.

 

And don't forget that any month in which you have training, vacation, or sick time, you will suffer financially. Especially in your first years.