How long have you been swimming? I've been in it since Feb 23rd, and I'm thinking the same thing. But i believe the answer is as simple as; we will get selected out of the pool based on the score we received after the interview was over.

I've been in since april 21. I believe your answer is right RJCapt. I just talked with a friend who finished IOE and he was trying to find some info for me from his check airman in regards to what the process is, when someone may get called, or even if it is a possiblilty of never. The Check airman stated it was a cyrptic system and it is possible to never get a call! My company is offering early speration packages that I would like to take, but don't want to put myself on the street with out a job if it's a possibility of not getting called.

The pool at Atlas is re-racked and stacked after each set of interviews. As long as the continue to put (or keep) more in the pool than they need to bring into class it is(theoretically) possible to stay in the pool for a very very long time.

I would think with number of new hire vacancies on the latest bid the pool will be dry soon. 36 (i think) on the 767 alone, plus more that that on the 74.

Good luck.

The first problem is determining the size of the pool. I've heard from others on here it could be 40-80 names in the pool, although when you go to the interview, they tell you the pool isn't very big, which is odd. Although they recently announced 100 new hire slots open (beginning with the Aug. 1 class (5 on the classic, 36 on the 767, the rest on the -400), they continue to interview each month, adding up to 20/month to the list while pulling out 8. Two classes in August, so pulling 16 for that month.

As for factual data, I know guys who've been in the pool since January or even earlier that haven't been called. Some have moved on to other jobs and wouldn't show, but at this rate it seems likely that unless they stop interviewing and drain the pool, if you're toward the bottom of the pool, it could be a long time or perhaps never.

Fingers crossed, though. As Tom Petty says, the waiting is the hardest part.

Exactly. Their playground, their rules.

Just thinking out loud here ... the 8 per class number you have is for the 747 (I think it was 6 on the classic, 36 0n the 76, and the rest on the 400). There will be additional numbers added to the classes if you include the 76. Probably they will combine classes for indoc and then split them into 74 and 76 fleets for systems and sims.

The number of new hires listed on the system bid award is 124.

I have been told from admin types that if you're in the pool, you'll get hired ... eventually. ymmv

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Shaftoe, congrats on the passing of the online test. I'm an RJ guy for the last 12 1/2 yrs and just sent in my resume a little over two weeks ago to Atlas. I could use any insight that you may have on your experience so far with the hiring process, if you don't mind. I would have PM'd you but this is my first post and apparently I need 10 to PM. Atlas has taken more than a few pilots from my regional lately (incl. FO's) and I have some new hire contacts on the inside but I want to gather as much info as I can to prepare in case I get called anytime soon. Thanks again. Can you PM me, me being a APC virgin and all?

Congrats on passing the online test. It was really tough, I agree and I went in with a lot of oceanic crossing experience. I hope this helps on your timeline question. Since November of 2010, 8 pilots from my C17 Air National Guard squadron have been called by Atlas. The one thing that has been consistent with all, is that the initial telephone screening happened 4 months after the application was submitted online. The 1st of those 7 just finished -400 training about 5 weeks ago. I am the 2nd and will start Monday. I applied in Feb 2011 and got the call on June 3rd.(exactly 4 months). I took the test June 8 and was called for the interview the next day. I took the earliest interview offered(one week later) June 14th and 9 days later received the pool letter(June 23rd). 18 days later, I was offered a class date of August 1st. The big mistery seems to be how long people stay in the pool. (I don't have a clue on the pool, but next week when I start training, I will be asking questions to try and get some answers for this forum.) Best of Luck!!!!

I was told at my interview that if we were hired that we all would be going to the -400 and that they weren't taking any new hires at all into the Classic 747-200 because they were getting rid of them. In addition, they said that no new hires were being assigned the 767 yet either because the school wasn't established yet. I was on the phone with HR last week about some other things and asked if my class, the August 1st class was an all -400 class and she confirmed it. This is just what we were told in June. Things of course may have changed except for the fact that HR did comfirm that the 1 August class is a 747-400 class.

Just reading the thread for the first time so sorry guys. Would someone mind paraphrasing the 180+ pages here and pass along how many more new hires planned this year?

Any idea of when these 767s are to begin operating?

Hope springs eternal!:D

Thanks so much for your information on the hiring timeline C17Trap. The two new hire contacts that I have from my regional both got the phone interview call around the 1 month time; I've had my stuff in 3 weeks this Sunday. If you don't mind me asking, what sort of ?'s were you asked on the phone interview? I've heard there is no way of really preparing for that one.

Not to be a stickler, but "it's all in the thread brota'"

Go AT LEAST go back a few pages, may find what you're looking for, somewhere around posts dated on the 12th maybe.

The "not-yet-published" "official" word from the management type that visited our class was for 3 76's begining operations in November. Of this year.

For those who want to know what questions are asked during the phone interview or who need to have the past 180+ pages paraphrased, you probably shouldn't bother applying. If you can't muster the interest, dedication, or common sense involved in researching a thread as chock full of information as this one is, you will likely never make it through the training program at Atlas.

Atlas looks for self motivated individuals who are dedicated enough and resourceful enough to be trained as captains from day one. Not to say that new hires ARE captains, just that Atlas requires a great deal of dedication and effort from a new hire to make it through training because they seem to hold their pilots to a VERY high standard.

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Well...Thanks for the first bit of information. As for the rest...

He's right... if you're not motivated enough to sit down with a couple of cups of coffee and do some reading, Atlas is probably not a good fit for you.

Well...before we start casting stones at me, I did randomly scan through quite a bit of the thread before posting my initial polite request for the most recent information. A large portion of what I read was random chit chat from months ago exchanging class dates, congratulating one another and so on. I don't see the harm in asking an Atlas pilot to share the "current" scoop after nearly 200 pages of a thread. Ease off the hair triggers.

What do you mean hair trig-*bang*

I agree "NeedAJob". I didn't start reading these threads until after I got the "good letter". 18 days later I came out of the pool. I never had access to the threads/posts and never sought out any information. The ONLY reason I signed up after getting hired was to help other pilots. We as pilots help each other out. It's what we do.

If a guy on here asks me for some help, the last thing I am going to do is be arrogant and condascending like I have seen in recent posts. Those who have, ought to be ashamed of themselves, especially if they are already representing the company. The people I met at my interview were extremely friendly and were genuinely nice which is the way I would choose to represent this company. Not arrogance.

Now back to providing information about this awesome company!

C17. Welcome aboard.

Sorry you think my post was arrogant and condescending because it certainly wasn't meant to be, however, I am not ashamed of myself or my response.

The fact is that one of the questions NeedAJob asked was answered in the post immediately above his post which was a quote of a post of mine. And had he taken the time to read even only the previous 8 or 10 pages he would have found all of his answers.

As for helping, the majority of my 200 posts here have been doing just what you intend to do; Helping other pilots. I guess the difference is that most every question I have fielded, even the "dumb sounding" ones, aren't dumb at all. They can bring up good points of discussion on matters not previously investigated or which may be brand new subjects. Like the question that I answered about the 76's. Those questions however are all well informed queries showing a high degree of interest which reflects a good deal of research into Atlas - including reading this thread.

As you surely know from your interview, Atlas wants pilots who know exactly what they are getting into; even to the point of requiring pilots to download the Atlas Annual Report as a part of their interview preparation. At least they asked for that prior to my interview - maybe yours was different. Anyway, you will find that there is a great deal of "cooperate-to-graduate" here with invaluable wisdom that we pass down from class to class. But no matter how much of a heads up you may have, you will still have to study your butt off to pass the oral and the check ride. Atlas demands a high level of motivation and dedication to successfully interview and complete training and this motivation is usually very apparent in the dialogs on these boards. This was the point of my post.

Many pilots have taken a lot of time and effort posting a wealth of knowledge on these boards. Many with hundreds more posts than I have put here. All correct and all worth their weight in gold as far as getting this job is concerned. And all there free for the taking with the only price being a few minutes of attention.

Good luck in class. You're going to be impressed. It's a great company

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[QUOTE=DC8DRIVER;1031065]C17. Welcome aboard.

Sorry you think my post was arrogant and condescending because it certainly wasn't meant to be, however, I am not ashamed of myself or my response.

The fact is that one of the questions NeedAJob asked was answered in the post immediately above his post which was a quote of a post of mine. And had he taken the time to read even only the previous 8 or 10 pages he would have found all of his answers.

As for helping, the majority of my 200 posts here have been doing just what you intend to do; Helping other pilots. I guess the difference is that most every question I have fielded, even the "dumb sounding" ones, aren't dumb at all. They can bring up good points of discussion on matters not previously investigated or which may be brand new subjects. Like the question that I answered about the 76's. Those questions however are all well informed queries showing a high degree of interest which reflects a good deal of research into Atlas - including reading this thread.

As you surely know from your interview, Atlas wants pilots who know exactly what they are getting into; even to the point of requiring pilots to download the Atlas Annual Report as a part of their interview preparation. At least they asked for that prior to my interview - maybe yours was different. Anyway, you will find that there is a great deal of "cooperate-to-graduate" here with invaluable wisdom that we pass down from class to class. But no matter how much of a heads up you may have, you will still have to study your butt off to pass the oral and the check ride. Atlas demands a high level of motivation and dedication to successfully interview and complete training and this motivation is usually very apparent in the dialogs on these boards. This was the point of my post.

Many pilots have taken a lot of time and effort posting a wealth of knowledge on these boards. Many with hundreds more posts than I have put here. All correct and all worth their weight in gold as far as getting this job is concerned. And all there free for the taking with the only price being a few minutes of attention.

Good luck in class. You're going to be impressed. It's a great company

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Very eloquently put 8,
I studied my rear off for the interview, going over the financial report with a fine toothed comb and found that it really helped me when talking about the company during the interview. There is a lot of great information in these threads and I encourage guys to print them out, get a hi-lighter and pull out the information that will help them with the phone interview and online test and use it.

I have heard it(the training) is really challenging from a friend of mine who just finished and is about to have his OE.
Today I am driving from the panhandle to Miami and will be in the Residence Inn tonight. Can't wait!

It's an exciting company and I look forward to flying with you.
Cheers and fly safe!
Trap

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I apologize if I didn't extrapolate the right information from reading the post immediately prior to my original. I suppose the new hire number you posted was for new hires this year remaining. I've had my app in at Atlas for a number of years, but only recently began researching the company again. if I hadn't read your post, I wouldn't have known to ask anything about the 767s. I'm qualified on that aircraft, thus my peaked interest in Atlas.

I'm five airlines into this game and have been both FO and captain many times. To assume you figured enough out from four or five lines of a person's first post to justify a response like that was indeed condescending. Meanwhile, I'm slowly chewing through the thread trying to learn about yet another company.

I've been beat around and furloughed and flown with enough self-righteous first officers and captains to be a bit numb to most things, but really? Mine was an innocent question, for which my common sense and motivation was insulted with a rant better suited to a high school career day. I've heard the we hire captains speech many times before. If the call comes hopefully I'll be ready the same way I have been for other carriers I worked at; until then - it's just another day listening to people thump their chests.

Guys, I'm curious if employees of Atlas Air are able to purchase ZED tickets on other airlines for family members ie: spouse, girlfriend (domestic partner), children and parents?

Thanks!

Page 175, five posts from the top.....

Thanks for the info, a little bummed that you don't get any other airline standby options...

Read the entire thread multiple times and have seen whats on here as far as what to expect for the online assessment, but those posts are about a year old. Can anyone send me a more current list of questions that I might encounter?

[email protected]

In the end it isn't an issue, really. By the time you're well into your second year you'll have enough airline miles from the positioning to positive space and that's WAY better than standby! :)

Indeed the bottom line is that arrogance and chest thumping has been an issue. I have been flying heavy jets my whole career, since 1993. Not thumping my chest, but just wanting to help. I dont care what they have said. I'll help you out. Talon has been a great help too. PM me if you have any questions. I've never been with an airline. I have been a C-141 aircraft commander and C17 instructor and have crossed the Atlantic, Pacific, and the South American region many many times. My goal is to help guys like you. Ignore the arrogance. Those guys are bitter because they flew DC-8's for so long. Don't get the wrong idea about Atlas. We are nice and we are laid back. Yes the class is hard, but you can do it just like the rest of us can. Don't listen to the negetive Nancy's. If anyone wants help, email me at [email protected].

Ok, guys, let's not call each other names (or worse)...we've hired a lot of guys with a lot of experience. That's the marketplace right now.

As for calling a DC8 guy bitter because he has been flying them for a long time...is no different than naming a military guy getting a first civilian job at Atlas.

Let's just move on and give the help that these guys are asking for...first step is to do the basic research about the company, etc. Without reading the entire thread, even with all the chit-chat, one cannot get that kind of information.

And guess what? If a guy waits for that first phone interview to start the research, it just might be too late.

Good luck.

As for ZED travel, I haven't bought an airline ticket for my family of four in at least 10 years...and why travel on the lowest standby category?

Even if you end up buying tickets, there are some really good deals out there...if you have the time to plan a trip/vacation.

Good luck.

You're not the alone that's been snapped at. I read the entire thread, stated that I read the entire thread and was still bashed for asking an impossible question- what are the schedules like? They tried to rip me a new one. I thought what it'd be like flying with some of these guys and asking them to describe a snowflake. That's impossible since they're all different, right? Luckily, one the most helpful people on here posted specific examples of what his schedules have been like in his time at Atlas...so simple.

That said, this thread is the best resource for good info on Atlas. There are enough guys that will provide useful intel without breathing too hard. I sent a few PMs to guys who seemed helpful and it worked. May work for you as well.

I don't know if this is widely used or not, but there is an easy way to find things on this (or any other) thread without having to read every page. At the top right of the thread page there is a button labeled "Search this thread". If, say, you are looking for interview information click that button, type in "interview" and you'll be presented with a list of every entry on the entire thread that has to do with that keyword. Hope this helps!

Yes Talon, that does help. I am in the process of going through the Thread more than a few times. Also thank you 744Driver and thank you C17Trap for your information and your patience. Thank you too to forumname for your input to my question. Greatly appreciated!! I submitted my Res and PAQ exactly 3 weeks ago today. I've been at my Regional now for for over 12 years, CA for 10 years of it, and I haven't interviewed in that time span either. Trying to knock the rust off.

KCheese,

All this thread does is to provide some like you that are looking for an edge over the competition...what is wrong with getting that edge here (and other sites) even if you have to put up with tangents?

However, the only way to get that edge is to make yourself available to any and every piece of intel you can gather. Even if you have to deal with said tangents. And even if you have to (sit at a local coffee shop) and read ALL 192 pages (so far)...

Good luck.

The Thread does have plenty of very good information throughout and I don't mind going through it one bit. Thanks to ALL the guys (and gals) that have been generous enough with their time to help the ATLAS potential new hires! I was brand new to not only The Thread, but APC Forums in general when I posted my questions to Shaftoe and C17Trap. They had just finished portions of the interview process and I was trying to gather some of the most up to date and freshest interview/test information while it was still fresh in their minds. Was not planning on ruffling any feathers. Going through The Thread now as we speak.

I hear calls are going out for the Aug 28 class. A fellow coworker/poolie received one yesterday..I have to check and make sure my phone is working.

I believe the next class is August 22 and it may be for the 767.