Atlas Air Hiring
05-07-2014 | 08:03 PM
#8421
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From: 747RJ
Children of the Train (reference to children of the corn -- not me scolding you as a child). In the back of my mind I keep hearing those voices in my head (yes, there are a lot of them) of cheaper fairs than taking a business class ticket according to the CBA. I certainly hope that's not the case.
Although I know part of this job is adventure and fun exploring, may I caution you not to give up your hard fought for "is what it is" CBA business class seats regardless of the type of transportation used. If you're getting the business or first on the train enjoy it. If you're not, well, . . . I won't waste my time writing how screwed up that is.
I do, however, understand taking a train if business class is sold out and there's no other alternative.
How does this pertain to a hiring thread you might ask? Well, it's time we start policing our own and negotiations will be here before you know it. I would like to hope that anyone that joins our group understands that when you give up a benefit found in the CBA for your own convenience it gives data to management that people really don't need what we have (different layover hotels for longer times, business class seats, etc.).
Enough said, off the soap box, good luck in getting the class date.
Cheers!
Although I know part of this job is adventure and fun exploring, may I caution you not to give up your hard fought for "is what it is" CBA business class seats regardless of the type of transportation used. If you're getting the business or first on the train enjoy it. If you're not, well, . . . I won't waste my time writing how screwed up that is.
I do, however, understand taking a train if business class is sold out and there's no other alternative.
How does this pertain to a hiring thread you might ask? Well, it's time we start policing our own and negotiations will be here before you know it. I would like to hope that anyone that joins our group understands that when you give up a benefit found in the CBA for your own convenience it gives data to management that people really don't need what we have (different layover hotels for longer times, business class seats, etc.).
Enough said, off the soap box, good luck in getting the class date.
Cheers!
05-08-2014 | 01:39 AM
#8422
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From: Capt
I don't think it is realistic to compare Atlas to a crappy regional. I normally call travel, and tell them the flight(s) I want...I would say about 80% of the time they give me that itinerary. When I was at a regional I don't recall them ever buying me a ticket to get to the start of my trip.
I have had problems with travel, and have had to talk to them to get it straightened out...but it was straightened out in the end. I have had travel be very flexible and give me what I want, even though it was "non-standard".
Atlas definitely has room for improvement, but I am 99% sure that a "typical" regional pilot, that is interested in Atlas, will find that Atlas is a big improvement.
God Bless, and namaste
I have had problems with travel, and have had to talk to them to get it straightened out...but it was straightened out in the end. I have had travel be very flexible and give me what I want, even though it was "non-standard".
Atlas definitely has room for improvement, but I am 99% sure that a "typical" regional pilot, that is interested in Atlas, will find that Atlas is a big improvement.
God Bless, and namaste
05-08-2014 | 07:19 AM
#8425
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From: B767 CA
Could it be that the successful business plan is creating a company that may survive and thrive?...vs what their ACMI company that couldn't survive, or are shrinking.
I am absolutely not defending the Swiss cheese CBA, but please remember there is more to it than that...a simplistic view of the world...and certainly the realities of negotiating power, solidarity, and the will of the pilot group to defend the current CBA, and work towards a better one for next time are key factors here.
Make no mistake, we are negotiating the next CBA every day by our actions...defending the CBA is daily fight. Make sure you (all of us) are taking a stand to get what you are entitled to on a daily basis.
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05-08-2014 | 08:15 AM
#8426
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From: 767 FO
So...back on other hiring news. I heard from a friend that interviewed on Tuesday that the process has changed some. They said no essay and only 2 panel interviews instead of the normal 3. I haven't been able to talk to them to get more info yet.
Anyone who has interviewed recently have any more to add?
Anyone who has interviewed recently have any more to add?
05-08-2014 | 08:53 AM
#8427
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From: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
So...back on other hiring news. I heard from a friend that interviewed on Tuesday that the process has changed some. They said no essay and only 2 panel interviews instead of the normal 3. I haven't been able to talk to them to get more info yet.
Anyone who has interviewed recently have any more to add?
Anyone who has interviewed recently have any more to add?
05-08-2014 | 12:31 PM
#8428
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On another note, my perception is that the company has really taken a turn for the worse over the past year. The CBA violations are out of control (worse than it was at my crappy regional airline). I called schedulling three times last trip, each time led to a heated argument (which is not my style). In the last ten years as an airline pilot, these are the only times I have ever had a conversation like this with a scheduler. I feel like the schedulers have developed a similar superiority complex like the schedulers had at my regional airline.
Attrition is picking up here as the majors are hiring. Having international heavy experience makes all current Atlas pilots very marketable to the majors and the way things are going lately, Atlas will quickly become a revolving door to a good career elsewhere.
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05-08-2014 | 01:27 PM
#8429
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From: B767 CA
Totally agree, knoxville...
Atlas has a great business plan that works, and has allowed flexibility to branch out in different directions.
But the relations with our pilot group and the way they are looking for ways to save money at the expense of the pilot group and the CBA are the worst it has ever been...The only way to stop this mistreatment is to stand up and fight.
Atlas is a good job, with a lot of promise because the business is managed well. But it is far from a tier 1 airline or what one might call a destination career...
Atlas has a great business plan that works, and has allowed flexibility to branch out in different directions.
But the relations with our pilot group and the way they are looking for ways to save money at the expense of the pilot group and the CBA are the worst it has ever been...The only way to stop this mistreatment is to stand up and fight.
Atlas is a good job, with a lot of promise because the business is managed well. But it is far from a tier 1 airline or what one might call a destination career...
05-08-2014 | 01:36 PM
#8430
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It is starting to appear for future prospects looking at Atlas that you have 3 options:
Come here, get a type, and leave.
Wait until a major calls you and don't bother coming here.
Wait until Atlas management starts treating us better and/or we get our next contract, then apply.
Still a fun and easy job because of the great group of pilots here, but just keeping you guys informed on the current vibe around here.
Come here, get a type, and leave.
Wait until a major calls you and don't bother coming here.
Wait until Atlas management starts treating us better and/or we get our next contract, then apply.
Still a fun and easy job because of the great group of pilots here, but just keeping you guys informed on the current vibe around here.
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