Atlas Air Hiring
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The latest vacancy award is out... Here's my summary.
27 new hire slots are available.
20 on the 747 in ANC
7 on the 767 in CVG
1009 Pilots on the list (6 more than last month)
19 pilots added to the list in the last month
... Meaning that 13 pilots have retired or left the company for another job in the last 30 days.
By my count 6 retired and 7 bolted for a better job.
No seat locks released for the 767 guys.
27 new hire slots are available.
20 on the 747 in ANC
7 on the 767 in CVG
1009 Pilots on the list (6 more than last month)
19 pilots added to the list in the last month
... Meaning that 13 pilots have retired or left the company for another job in the last 30 days.
By my count 6 retired and 7 bolted for a better job.
No seat locks released for the 767 guys.
I didn't look into who retired vs. attrition. I think we lost 53 all last year, with a total of 15 lost to other outfits, which is our historical average.
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I came up with 1,014 total pilots, 424 CAs/590 FOs (does not include the NH slots), with 58 hired and 46 gone since late January.
I didn't look into who retired vs. attrition. I think we lost 53 all last year, with a total of 15 lost to other outfits, which is our historical average.
I didn't look into who retired vs. attrition. I think we lost 53 all last year, with a total of 15 lost to other outfits, which is our historical average.
I get that historically we've lost 15 a year, but historically American, United, Delta, UPS, FedEx, and Southwest haven't been hiring at the same time. With the data that we do have I'm saying we lost 7 last month. That's 84 a year. Will that hold up? Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I hope it does so we'll have some extra negotiating chips come next year...
Last edited by Globemaster2827; 07-16-2014 at 06:25 AM.
#9015
I've counted up the totals 3 times off of the vacancy award and came up with 1009 each time... Unfortunately they don't post the list from January so I can't go back and see how many we've lost to retirement and then guess on who's left for a major over the course of 2014, but we've hired between 50 and 60 and the list is about the same size. If memory serves correct we had between 30 and 40 retiring this year and there's still 5 and half months to go.
I get that historically we've lost 15 a year, but historically American, United, Delta, UPS, FedEx, and Southwest haven't been hiring at the same time. With the data that we do have I'm saying we lost 7 last month. That's 84 a year. Will that hold up? Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I hope it does so we'll have some extra negotiating chips come next year...
I get that historically we've lost 15 a year, but historically American, United, Delta, UPS, FedEx, and Southwest haven't been hiring at the same time. With the data that we do have I'm saying we lost 7 last month. That's 84 a year. Will that hold up? Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I hope it does so we'll have some extra negotiating chips come next year...
I think the hiring will accelerate as time goes on. Hopefully it peaks in 515 days.
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We do know this... These majors are going to have to hire for the next 10 years when you look at the average age of their pilots so I'm not too worried about it subsiding for negotiations next fall.
#9017
The other factors for pilot hiring: Overseas.
-A thread was just posted on this website about how Chinese airlines just got permission for 74? new routes. They are expanding thier intra-Chinese flying and their regional feed.
-Emirates just had a roadshow in Singapore, to recruit new pilots, and ZERO pilots showed up.
Also, I think that AA/UAL and DAL will all end up with fairly strong flow-thru type agreements for many of their regional pilots. If that happens, then there is a lower chance that those pilots will want to go to Atlas, or other non-Big 3 carriers, and lose their flow-thru to their major.
I also hope that this developing pilot shortage helps us get better T&Cs at Atlas. Just flew with a guy who told us of his fellow Atlas pilot: He completed indoc at one of the Big 3, then left for a "better" Big 3 position. I had also heard previously of an Atlas guy who had a class date at all three of the Big 3 airlines, and was trying to figure out which two he was going to turn down.
There has been a LOT of open time lately, and it seems more flying.
-A thread was just posted on this website about how Chinese airlines just got permission for 74? new routes. They are expanding thier intra-Chinese flying and their regional feed.
-Emirates just had a roadshow in Singapore, to recruit new pilots, and ZERO pilots showed up.
Also, I think that AA/UAL and DAL will all end up with fairly strong flow-thru type agreements for many of their regional pilots. If that happens, then there is a lower chance that those pilots will want to go to Atlas, or other non-Big 3 carriers, and lose their flow-thru to their major.
I also hope that this developing pilot shortage helps us get better T&Cs at Atlas. Just flew with a guy who told us of his fellow Atlas pilot: He completed indoc at one of the Big 3, then left for a "better" Big 3 position. I had also heard previously of an Atlas guy who had a class date at all three of the Big 3 airlines, and was trying to figure out which two he was going to turn down.
There has been a LOT of open time lately, and it seems more flying.
#9018
The other factors for pilot hiring: Overseas.
-A thread was just posted on this website about how Chinese airlines just got permission for 74? new routes. They are expanding thier intra-Chinese flying and their regional feed.
-Emirates just had a roadshow in Singapore, to recruit new pilots, and ZERO pilots showed up.
Also, I think that AA/UAL and DAL will all end up with fairly strong flow-thru type agreements for many of their regional pilots. If that happens, then there is a lower chance that those pilots will want to go to Atlas, or other non-Big 3 carriers, and lose their flow-thru to their major.
I also hope that this developing pilot shortage helps us get better T&Cs at Atlas. Just flew with a guy who told us of his fellow Atlas pilot: He completed indoc at one of the Big 3, then left for a "better" Big 3 position. I had also heard previously of an Atlas guy who had a class date at all three of the Big 3 airlines, and was trying to figure out which two he was going to turn down.
There has been a LOT of open time lately, and it seems more flying.
-A thread was just posted on this website about how Chinese airlines just got permission for 74? new routes. They are expanding thier intra-Chinese flying and their regional feed.
-Emirates just had a roadshow in Singapore, to recruit new pilots, and ZERO pilots showed up.
Also, I think that AA/UAL and DAL will all end up with fairly strong flow-thru type agreements for many of their regional pilots. If that happens, then there is a lower chance that those pilots will want to go to Atlas, or other non-Big 3 carriers, and lose their flow-thru to their major.
I also hope that this developing pilot shortage helps us get better T&Cs at Atlas. Just flew with a guy who told us of his fellow Atlas pilot: He completed indoc at one of the Big 3, then left for a "better" Big 3 position. I had also heard previously of an Atlas guy who had a class date at all three of the Big 3 airlines, and was trying to figure out which two he was going to turn down.
There has been a LOT of open time lately, and it seems more flying.
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