Atlas Air Hiring
07-19-2014 | 04:24 AM
#9041
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All 767 Asia trips begin with a DH on a 747 out of CVG. You'd never begin one of those with a commercial flight, and unless something goes wrong, you'll never ride commercial back, either. But, your DH gets back to base at 3 am on your last day, so that's not too bad.
Domestic varies - sometimes it's a 17-day line. Sometimes it's all one destination (BOS), some times it's mixed. Maybe ATL one week, BOS the next. Sometimes you'll do a 12-day Asia trip, then a week of DHL domestic later in the month.
My imputed income was insignificant, and mostly those occurrences were because of a charter contract that flew into JFK. My airfares were $250/each, hotel was maybe $125/night. Didn't even notice. Compare that to a new-hire ANC 747 FO. They give up two off days on the front and one day on the back of each trip, just to get into position. Airfares to ANC ain't cheap - check a fare three days out from your local airport, prob. $900-1,000 on average. In June, out of 43 FO lines, there were 4 17-day patterns. Half were 60-day lines, with anywhere from 3 to 5 pairings. The rest of the 30-day lines had either two or three pairings in a single month. That blows! I'm all for some short trips to keep the guys who live in ANC happy, but that's clearly out of whack. I would be screaming long and hard if I were up there (but only to the union, during my first year). On the plus side, a guy hired in February is already halfway up the list in ANC, but that doesn't help the commute much. And the seniority will stagnate as more 767 FOs get released in September.
Domestic varies - sometimes it's a 17-day line. Sometimes it's all one destination (BOS), some times it's mixed. Maybe ATL one week, BOS the next. Sometimes you'll do a 12-day Asia trip, then a week of DHL domestic later in the month.
My imputed income was insignificant, and mostly those occurrences were because of a charter contract that flew into JFK. My airfares were $250/each, hotel was maybe $125/night. Didn't even notice. Compare that to a new-hire ANC 747 FO. They give up two off days on the front and one day on the back of each trip, just to get into position. Airfares to ANC ain't cheap - check a fare three days out from your local airport, prob. $900-1,000 on average. In June, out of 43 FO lines, there were 4 17-day patterns. Half were 60-day lines, with anywhere from 3 to 5 pairings. The rest of the 30-day lines had either two or three pairings in a single month. That blows! I'm all for some short trips to keep the guys who live in ANC happy, but that's clearly out of whack. I would be screaming long and hard if I were up there (but only to the union, during my first year). On the plus side, a guy hired in February is already halfway up the list in ANC, but that doesn't help the commute much. And the seniority will stagnate as more 767 FOs get released in September.
If you could comment on JFK 76 base, type of lines, number of pairings, how senior, any newhires there...?
07-19-2014 | 04:37 AM
#9042
Tuk er jerbs!
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07-19-2014 | 06:06 AM
#9043
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From: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
07-19-2014 | 08:18 AM
#9044
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07-19-2014 | 12:05 PM
#9045
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-Lines/Pairings vary quite a bit. We've seen 100% reserve lines to 80% trip pairings since I've been based there. Inevitably it matters little because company can change your whole line as needed.
- It is significantly more senior than CVG. I am the bottom and still prefer it most months thus far.
- We'll see what happens in next few months with seat-locks beginning to release.
07-21-2014 | 01:23 AM
#9046
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Change is a constant at Atlas...those that can't live that will NOT be happy here.
If you are the type that wants LGA to ORD ten times a day (or even CVG to NRT, etc on a regular basis), even after you were awarded that line, then move on and apply elsewhere (and I don't mean Southern Air, Kalitta, etc). I mean you should not waste everyone's time and your efforts (and most importantly, taking up a slot in training, seniority list, etc).
Now, that said, that flexibility has a price...IMHO, Atlas is not paying us for giving them that flexibility (it is arguably better than it used to be...yes, I did say that, get over it!!). It is now high time to stop making deals with our Schedulers, Travel Agents, etc and FOLLOW THE CBA. That is the only way our next contract will give us what we deserve...and that is called...Industry Standard pay (both hard and soft money rules), QOL, retirement, etc
Good luck to all...btw, my current two-week trip has taken me to...ready?...DXB, KWI, RMS, UAB, MCT, OTP, RMS, and I finish in BWI. Those that don't know those codes, "Google is your friend" (not really, but that is what they say!!)
744driver
If you are the type that wants LGA to ORD ten times a day (or even CVG to NRT, etc on a regular basis), even after you were awarded that line, then move on and apply elsewhere (and I don't mean Southern Air, Kalitta, etc). I mean you should not waste everyone's time and your efforts (and most importantly, taking up a slot in training, seniority list, etc).
Now, that said, that flexibility has a price...IMHO, Atlas is not paying us for giving them that flexibility (it is arguably better than it used to be...yes, I did say that, get over it!!). It is now high time to stop making deals with our Schedulers, Travel Agents, etc and FOLLOW THE CBA. That is the only way our next contract will give us what we deserve...and that is called...Industry Standard pay (both hard and soft money rules), QOL, retirement, etc
Good luck to all...btw, my current two-week trip has taken me to...ready?...DXB, KWI, RMS, UAB, MCT, OTP, RMS, and I finish in BWI. Those that don't know those codes, "Google is your friend" (not really, but that is what they say!!)
744driver
07-21-2014 | 05:08 AM
#9048
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From: Ex USAF, ex-ATA , currently Atlas Air 747 CA
Ha! A piker. You didn't even make it halfway around the planet. ;-)
And..congrats to Worldfr8dog. I was on the trip yesterday whereon she was completed with IOE. Hello, this is crew scheduling.....
And..congrats to Worldfr8dog. I was on the trip yesterday whereon she was completed with IOE. Hello, this is crew scheduling.....
07-21-2014 | 08:00 AM
#9049
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From: B767 CA
And it is called sCrew Scheduling, Talon!!
Thanks, DC8...as you well know, that is NOT how it started...and it may very well end differently!! And there were a couple of DH legs that I did not mention...lotsa miles, and damn you forget how good the Middle Eastern carriers are in Business Class (DHed on EY FRA-AUH-MCT...wow, that was nice, all the 18-year old Scotch you can handle!!)
Thanks, DC8...as you well know, that is NOT how it started...and it may very well end differently!! And there were a couple of DH legs that I did not mention...lotsa miles, and damn you forget how good the Middle Eastern carriers are in Business Class (DHed on EY FRA-AUH-MCT...wow, that was nice, all the 18-year old Scotch you can handle!!)
07-21-2014 | 09:30 AM
#9050
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Right you are, Talon! 744Driver probably doesn't even have time to go to his bunk room during those short hops! It's like he's flying for a regional for crying out loud.
Contrast his trip with my month ... so far:
Contrast his trip with my month ... so far:
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