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Old 05-26-2014, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gr8vu View Post
If you have the upgraded adobe (not free) then you can save I believe. Most of the .mil computers I've used in the AF can save it as a file.
That was the weird part... I have a version that saves, yet that still happened. Typically if you just have the free reader version, it won't allow saving.
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Old 05-26-2014, 07:42 PM
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That's right Captainv, and anyone hired on the 747 between now and then needs to be aware that they could be at the bottom of the ANC seniority list for several years.
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Old 05-26-2014, 07:47 PM
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Here's some info about about days off . For the guys and gals that that have been interested enough to read this entire thread, you'll have been told many times to plan on being away from home for 17 days. There's much more to it than that. As a junior ANC based 747 FO, you can plan on giving up 2 days off for travel ( 3 if you live on the East coast)every time you have to travel to and from ANC. If you can hold a 30 day line, you will probably have at least 2 seperate pairings in that month. Your going to be traveling on 4 to 6 of your 13 to 14 days off per month. The company buys you a ticket for this travel, but you don't get paid for these days. It's even more likely that you'll get stuck with a 60 day line that has 4 to 5 pairings. Then you'll be traveling on 10 to 15 days off over those 2 months. I've been at Atlas for over a year and still based in ANC. I prefer to go out and do my 17 days in one shot and then go home. I'm in the middle of the base seniority and still can't do it on a regular basis. There just aren't enough lines that are built that way.
I am still a little confused. You are saying it is not 17 days on and 13 days off? For example, let's say I am working June 1 until June 17. I travel on May 31, work June 1 to June 17, then travel back home on June 18, then travel again on June 30. is that not so? And how would a 60 days line work?
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Old 05-26-2014, 07:57 PM
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FLYINGE,
Your example is correct. But if you live on the East coast, you will probably have to leave on the 30th to be in position with the required rest to operate on the 1st. All depends on what time that trip leaves on the first. What I'm trying point out is that as a junior crewmember, you will most likely not be able to hold a line that is one continuous 17 days. There just aren't that many built that way. You will only be able to hold lines that will require you to travel to and from ANC two to three times per month. This has been my experience.
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Old 05-26-2014, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by trout View Post
FLYINGE,
Your example is correct. But if you live on the East coast, you will probably have to leave on the 30th to be in position with the required rest to operate on the 1st. All depends on what time that trip leaves on the first. What I'm trying point out is that as a junior crewmember, you will most likely not be able to hold a line that is one continuous 17 days. There just aren't that many built that way. You will only be able to hold lines that will require you to travel to and from ANC two to three times per month. This has been my experience.
Wait a minute, so you are saying I can work June 1 to June 6, then have June 7 to June 11 off where I have to use a minimum of 2 days to go back and forth to ANC so now my 5 days off has become 3, then I work June 12 to June 22 and have June 23 to June 30 off and use 2 days to travel so now my 8 days off has become 6, so all together for the month I have 9 days off??? If that is the case, now the 767 is starting to look more attractive if I can do 17 days in a row on it. Or is that not the case also on the 767? Last thing I want to do is fly back and forth to ANC a few times a month.

Thank you all that has posted and showed us the reality at Altas. It is starting to look less appealing. I wanted to work at Atlas so I can work all in one shot 17 days, and do mostly 1 or 2 to legs when I work. It seems in reality it is far from that. Either you are on the 747 going back and forth to ANC, or on the 767 flying 2 to 3 legs a night. Not to mention the pay for the 767 is far less than the 747. 2nd year pay on the 767 is almost the same as 2nd year pay for Jet Blue, Virgin, Spirit, etc. considering the 62 hours guarantee and you have to factor in imputed tax. And at Atlas you are flying a heavy, at Jet Blue and the others you are not. I hope you guys will be able to get better pay and quality of life on the next contract, you definitely deserve more!
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Old 05-26-2014, 08:55 PM
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Another piece of info is that our schedules are based on Zulu time. So you can show working on the 30th for example, but it is actually the 29th local in ANC....AND they want you there the day before. Yup.....
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Old 05-26-2014, 08:57 PM
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It sounds however like 747 junior ANC based pilots are making more than min guarantee from all the days on the road. Is this correct? Also, what are the destinations mostly? I've read a lot about current 767 routes, but less of the 747.
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Old 05-26-2014, 09:25 PM
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You got it FLYINGE, the devil is in the details. I have no first hand knowledge of the 767 schedules for junior crewmembers. Its seems your understanding, so I'll add more of the 'details'. There's a 60 day line with 4 seperate pairings that some junior crewmember got stuck with this month. Get a Calender and mark this down. One pairing starts early morningin ANC on 6/22. From the east coast I would have to leave home on the 20th. That trip ends on the 3rd, so I would be home by noon on the 4th. The next trip leaves ANC at 0055 local time on the 9th. I would probably still have to leave on a late flight on the 7th to get there.that trip returns to ANC on the 15th so I could probably be home by noon on the 17th. The 4th through the 8th are marked on your schedule as days off. If you followed along on a Calender you would see that during the period from June 20 through July 17, a 28 day period, you would only have 2 full days off. And only 4 days that your family has seen you.
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Old 05-26-2014, 09:50 PM
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If you count travel days as work days, as I do. For this particular line, June shakes out to 20 on 10 off and July 22 and 9. They pay 75 and 76 hours. A 16 day straight line and 3 days of travel will pay 77 hours and you'll still have 11 days off in a row. But new hires cannot plan to hold those lines. And most are quite upset when that 28 day period that I explained above shows its ugly face.
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Old 05-26-2014, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by trout View Post
You got it FLYINGE, the devil is in the details. I have no first hand knowledge of the 767 schedules for junior crewmembers. Its seems your understanding, so I'll add more of the 'details'. There's a 60 day line with 4 seperate pairings that some junior crewmember got stuck with this month. Get a Calender and mark this down. One pairing starts early morningin ANC on 6/22. From the east coast I would have to leave home on the 20th. That trip ends on the 3rd, so I would be home by noon on the 4th. The next trip leaves ANC at 0055 local time on the 9th. I would probably still have to leave on a late flight on the 7th to get there.that trip returns to ANC on the 15th so I could probably be home by noon on the 17th. The 4th through the 8th are marked on your schedule as days off. If you followed along on a Calender you would see that during the period from June 20 through July 17, a 28 day period, you would only have 2 full days off. And only 4 days that your family has seen you.
On average if you can come up with one with the varying schedule, how often during your trips do you layover back in ANC during the trip? I reside in ANC and plan on staying in ANC is why Atlas is my first choice.
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