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Old 05-30-2014, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
ESPECIALLY when the hiring was a little more fast paced. Pilot A, hired in one month, on the 767. Pilot B, hired the next month on the 744. For years 2 and 3, pilot B out earns pilot A, and Pilot A can do NOTHING ABOUT IT.
Or, as happened last year, they would start a 747 class on Monday and a 767 class on Tuesday with the sole intent of preventing individuals from having the opportunity to select equipment type.
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Old 05-30-2014, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by WTFover View Post
Or, as happened last year, they would start a 747 class on Monday and a 767 class on Tuesday with the sole intent of preventing individuals from having the opportunity to select equipment type.
Unfortunately I am pretty sure that is how they are going to fill all 747 slots going forward and keep 767 guys from transferring over. Nothing in the contract preventing this to keep training cost down.
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Old 05-30-2014, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxcackel View Post
Unfortunately I am pretty sure that is how they are going to fill all 747 slots going forward and keep 767 guys from transferring over. Nothing in the contract preventing this to keep training cost down.

Sorry, I don't follow. Once the seat locks expire, how exactly would they prevent 767 guys from bidding over? The example he gave was for new-hire classes.
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Old 05-30-2014, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv View Post
Sorry, I don't follow. Once the seat locks expire, how exactly would they prevent 767 guys from bidding over? The example he gave was for new-hire classes.
I also keep hearing the "They'll hire a ton of 747 FOs now so there won't be any vacancies!" rumor, which is just as baseless IMO.
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Old 05-30-2014, 04:50 PM
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Well, anything is possible. Especially, if you guys read the latest email from Carlson. They want cooperation and "flexibility" yet a Chief Pilot position opens up and from what I understand there was NO vacancy announcement. Wouldn't you think that with a seniority list of over 1000 that someone, MAYBE, would have liked to at least interview for the position?????

Even if they still picked the x-Delta guy at least they would have done the politically correct thing of interviewing candidates. But instead bring in this guy (not saying he's not qualified) who hasn't seen ACMI/CMI non-scheduled ops. Kinda of a kick in the groin when they are wanting cooperation, don't ya think?
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Old 05-30-2014, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP View Post
I also keep hearing the "They'll hire a ton of 747 FOs now so there won't be any vacancies!" rumor, which is just as baseless IMO.
May 19th class reports 747 classes on June 9 and June 30. Rumors of a July 7 class, aircraft TBD.

Even so, in a "normal" year we lose 50+ to retirements/attrition, and we all know attrition is going to spike this year.

They can delay, but probably not by much.
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Old 05-30-2014, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv View Post
May 19th class reports 747 classes on June 9 and June 30. Rumors of a July 7 class, aircraft TBD.

Even so, in a "normal" year we lose 50+ to retirements/attrition, and we all know attrition is going to spike this year.

They can delay, but probably not by much.
I agree. I think the amount of 747 open time for both CAs and FOs is pretty telling. They'd have to hire enough before the seat locks start expiring (big group in September and October on the FO side) to not only catch up to the lack of staffing on that side, but overstaff it. I just don't see it happening, but of course, I've said that before in this industry.
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Old 05-30-2014, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv View Post
May 19th class reports 747 classes on June 9 and June 30. Rumors of a July 7 class, aircraft TBD.
Any idea of the class sizes? How many are in the May class?
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Old 05-30-2014, 08:22 PM
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Hope something desired in the next contract is a realistic seat lock time like other airlines have. 3 is excessive.
If all the Atlas pilots were paid based on years and seat position (like UPS), they could get rid of seat locks, as all airframes would pay the same.
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Originally Posted by KYTBRD View Post
Any idea of the class sizes? How many are in the May class?
May 19 was 12, with 1 requal. Most of the classes so far this year have been 12.
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