Atlas Air Hiring
06-04-2014 | 02:01 AM
#8621
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From: B747 Left
It definitely doesn't happen often! I think I average about 72 -73 hours a month and flying with a 6th year LA guy last month he said he averaged in the 70's all of last year.
I have the "willing to fly in hostile regions" checked and have yet to see any of that pay after 14 months online - a few very senior guys may get the lines with a few turns to make extra pay. Kind of like the open time and out basing!
Don't know what 767 guys are making but on second year pay I would expect to average 73 hours a month for about $85000 on second year 747 pay. How many credit hours can you expect on the 767?
I do agree the lack of the bunk really sucks on the 767 for the SYD runs.
I have the "willing to fly in hostile regions" checked and have yet to see any of that pay after 14 months online - a few very senior guys may get the lines with a few turns to make extra pay. Kind of like the open time and out basing!
Don't know what 767 guys are making but on second year pay I would expect to average 73 hours a month for about $85000 on second year 747 pay. How many credit hours can you expect on the 767?
I do agree the lack of the bunk really sucks on the 767 for the SYD runs.
I would say 73-75 hours is about average for the 767, but second year pay is $81.48/hr vs. $97.07.
06-04-2014 | 05:48 AM
#8622
Line Holder
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From: B744/8 CA at Atlas
Well, like I said, I don't know first-hand. All just what I hear. To be fair though, the guy who told me about his 85 hour month (and hazardous duty pay for the month prior to that one) has been online less than 14 months. ANC based.
I would say 73-75 hours is about average for the 767, but second year pay is $81.48/hr vs. $97.07.
I would say 73-75 hours is about average for the 767, but second year pay is $81.48/hr vs. $97.07.
Sounds like the credit hours for a 767 guy are actually close to the normal on the 747 - obviously the pay is 16% less per hour. So if the company did offer the same pay for 767 FO's they might stop a lot of the movement which will inevitably happen when the seat locks are up.
06-04-2014 | 06:42 AM
#8623
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From: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
06-04-2014 | 08:18 PM
#8626
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From: B-767
You know what? Lump it. I have been on the 767 for 3 solid years, I did more garbage work than most. The last 20 years, this is my lot in life. I have babysitted new captains for the last three years. Fine. I did almost 100 hours last month. I love you guys, and I have so much fun at Atlas, but I will just do what is contractually obligated. Let us do our time on the 767, then move on. Do I get upset about -400/8 pay? No, I don't. I get upset about much-Union issues, politics, spending 200 dollars on dinner, and not getting any loving; but I do not begrudge my position at Atlas. Maybe they would have never hired me, had I not been a 767 captain. I fly my trips, volunteer many hours for union business, and bide my time. That is just life. Don't forget where we came from. And fight for a industry leading contract.
06-04-2014 | 11:15 PM
#8628
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From: B747 Left
No doubt you can get better lines and pay for junior guys if you stay in ANC but you also lose a lot of time traveling to/from base each month and can be looking at a lot of imputed income (flew with one ANC guy who had $3000 imputed in one month).
Sounds like the credit hours for a 767 guy are actually close to the normal on the 747 - obviously the pay is 16% less per hour. So if the company did offer the same pay for 767 FO's they might stop a lot of the movement which will inevitably happen when the seat locks are up.
Sounds like the credit hours for a 767 guy are actually close to the normal on the 747 - obviously the pay is 16% less per hour. So if the company did offer the same pay for 767 FO's they might stop a lot of the movement which will inevitably happen when the seat locks are up.
I actually agree with one of our EXCO members on the single pay rate issue; it'd actually be leaving money on the table.
Obviously, the 747 generates much more revenue than a 767. If the company were to agree to pay us 767 drivers the 747 rates, then that tells us they could afford to significantly increase 747 rates. UPS actually could significantly increase their top-end rates if they weren't paying everyone a blended rate, as well.
My personal issue is the seniority disparity, not the 16% pay differential. And of course, working on bringing both rates up to par with our peers in 2016.
06-05-2014 | 04:25 AM
#8629
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From: B767 CA
You know what? Lump it. I have been on the 767 for 3 solid years, I did more garbage work than most. The last 20 years, this is my lot in life. I have babysitted new captains for the last three years. Fine. I did almost 100 hours last month. I love you guys, and I have so much fun at Atlas, but I will just do what is contractually obligated. Let us do our time on the 767, then move on. Do I get upset about -400/8 pay? No, I don't. I get upset about much-Union issues, politics, spending 200 dollars on dinner, and not getting any loving; but I do not begrudge my position at Atlas. Maybe they would have never hired me, had I not been a 767 captain. I fly my trips, volunteer many hours for union business, and bide my time. That is just life. Don't forget where we came from. And fight for a industry leading contract.
06-05-2014 | 04:27 AM
#8630
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From: B767 CA
I actually agree with one of our EXCO members on the single pay rate issue; it'd actually be leaving money on the table.
Obviously, the 747 generates much more revenue than a 767. If the company were to agree to pay us 767 drivers the 747 rates, then that tells us they could afford to significantly increase 747 rates. UPS actually could significantly increase their top-end rates if they weren't paying everyone a blended rate, as well.
My personal issue is the seniority disparity, not the 16% pay differential. And of course, working on bringing both rates up to par with our peers in 2016.
Obviously, the 747 generates much more revenue than a 767. If the company were to agree to pay us 767 drivers the 747 rates, then that tells us they could afford to significantly increase 747 rates. UPS actually could significantly increase their top-end rates if they weren't paying everyone a blended rate, as well.
My personal issue is the seniority disparity, not the 16% pay differential. And of course, working on bringing both rates up to par with our peers in 2016.
Do we want to use our negotiating capital fighting for a single rate when we have so much else to fix?!! Somebody please answer that question in a reasonable manner and I'll support a single rate. Is that one issue worth sacrificing other important issues?...I say no.
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