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Old 06-05-2014, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhino12 View Post
The problem is with our union who is 747 centric and it doesn't bother most of the pilots in the group. Solidarity?? Hard when there are two pilots - the 747 pilot group and the ones that wish they were on the 747 with junior guys behind them.
Okay, I can't let that stand..."the problem is with our union"...

It was "the union" that filed a Grievance that freed all 6 of the 767 FOs that were wrongly placed on the 767 when they started class last year. It was "the union" that fought for ALL six of them, even though only four could've held a 747 slot in their class seniority...

I was there...ask one of the six, it was "the union"...

Please call me...and I will tell you the story...I will prove to you how "the union" has taken steps to get both fleets represented.
You are assuming only four could have held it if EVERYONE else wanted the 744. We can never know what people would have bid bc we were never allowed to bid. Gave me a bad taste in my mouth from day 1. We were wronged by the company and the union righted it. Unfortunately a 747 to Anchorage was not enough to keep me at this company and there will be another open 767 slot this week. Best of luck to all. I've definitely enjoyed the crews, and checkairman at Atlas. The whole 767 process, not so much.
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Old 06-05-2014, 07:29 AM
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Atlas Air Worldwide Announces Placement of Additional 747-400 Freighter ACMI Services for DHL Express
Thursday, June 05, 2014 -- Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (Nasdaq: AAWW) today announced the placement of additional Boeing 747-400 Freighter ACMI services for DHL Express, the world's leading international express shipping company.

ACMI services under the new agreement will provide additional intercontinental capacity for DHL Express from Asia commencing in mid-June. At that time, Atlas will operate a total of four 747-8Fs and six 747-400Fs in ACMI service on behalf of DHL. Atlas will also continue to operate seven Boeing 767 Freighters in CMI service for DHL.

“We are delighted to expand our long-standing relationship with DHL and to support the strong growth of its global network operations,” said William J. Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer, Atlas Air Worldwide.

About Atlas Air Worldwide:

Atlas Air Worldwide is the parent company of Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas) and Titan Aviation Leasing (Titan), and is the majority shareholder of Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc. (Polar). Atlas Air Worldwide also maintains a 49% interest in Global Supply Systems Limited (GSS). Through Atlas and Polar, Atlas Air Worldwide operates the world's largest fleet of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft.

Atlas, Titan and Polar offer a range of outsourced aircraft and aviation operating services that include ACMI service - in which customers receive an aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance on a long-term basis; CMI service, for customers that provide their own aircraft; express network and scheduled air cargo service; military cargo and passenger charters; commercial cargo and passenger charters; and dry leasing of aircraft and engines.

Atlas Air Worldwide's press releases, SEC filings and other information can be accessed through the Company's home page, www.atlasair.com.


http://www.atlasair.com/holdings/news-events.asp?Pressid=11018
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Old 06-05-2014, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 4Green View Post
You are assuming only four could have held it if EVERYONE else wanted the 744. We can never know what people would have bid bc we were never allowed to bid. Gave me a bad taste in my mouth from day 1. We were wronged by the company and the union righted it. Unfortunately a 747 to Anchorage was not enough to keep me at this company and there will be another open 767 slot this week. Best of luck to all. I've definitely enjoyed the crews, and checkairman at Atlas. The whole 767 process, not so much.
Fair point about the four that could've held it...but that is exactly why the Union fought for all six since nobody knows how others would've bid.

As for your departure, may I ask where you are headed?...AA? DL?...best wishes to you and your family; sorry to see you go, but still a great decision on your part (an easy one, I'm sure!!)
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Old 06-05-2014, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 744driver View Post
Do we want to use our negotiating capital fighting for a single rate when we have so much else to fix?!! Somebody please answer that question in a reasonable manner and I'll support a single rate. Is that one issue worth sacrificing other important issues?...I say no.
THIS is what the union will tell you. Don't let them. You can have the better payrates AND fix the other issues you mentioned. I've seen this over and over again in contract negotiations, particularly with teamsters. If you don't shoot for everything that needs fixed it won't happen. In 2014 there is no reason to be considering anything other than improvements in every part of the contract.
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Old 06-05-2014, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 4Green View Post
You are assuming only four could have held it if EVERYONE else wanted the 744. We can never know what people would have bid bc we were never allowed to bid. Gave me a bad taste in my mouth from day 1. We were wronged by the company and the union righted it. Unfortunately a 747 to Anchorage was not enough to keep me at this company and there will be another open 767 slot this week. Best of luck to all. I've definitely enjoyed the crews, and checkairman at Atlas. The whole 767 process, not so much.
Good post. Sorry to see you go. Good luck. Cheers.
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Old 06-05-2014, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 4Green View Post
You are assuming only four could have held it if EVERYONE else wanted the 744. We can never know what people would have bid bc we were never allowed to bid. Gave me a bad taste in my mouth from day 1. We were wronged by the company and the union righted it. Unfortunately a 747 to Anchorage was not enough to keep me at this company and there will be another open 767 slot this week. Best of luck to all. I've definitely enjoyed the crews, and checkairman at Atlas. The whole 767 process, not so much.
4Green,

Congrats! Best of luck and don't look back. The only bad part about your move is that you're not senior to me

Perhaps movement by guys like you will be a wake-up call for the company. Probably not ... but maybe.

Anyway, how much will you be charging for recommendations at the new place?

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Old 06-05-2014, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 4Green View Post
You are assuming only four could have held it if EVERYONE else wanted the 744. We can never know what people would have bid bc we were never allowed to bid. Gave me a bad taste in my mouth from day 1. We were wronged by the company and the union righted it. Unfortunately a 747 to Anchorage was not enough to keep me at this company and there will be another open 767 slot this week. Best of luck to all. I've definitely enjoyed the crews, and checkairman at Atlas. The whole 767 process, not so much.
Congrats! Onward and upward...

Dare to be brutally honest in your exit interview?
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Old 06-05-2014, 12:40 PM
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You are assuming only four could have held it if EVERYONE else wanted the 744. We can never know what people would have bid bc we were never allowed to bid. Gave me a bad taste in my mouth from day 1. We were wronged by the company and the union righted it. Unfortunately a 747 to Anchorage was not enough to keep me at this company and there will be another open 767 slot this week. Best of luck to all. I've definitely enjoyed the crews, and checkairman at Atlas. The whole 767 process, not so much.
Congrats! Onward and upward...

Dare to be brutally honest in your exit interview?
Absolutely that's what they want, to find out why people are leaving. And it includes

No trip or pay protection
Low min guarantee
3 year seat locks
Bad retirement plan
Starting 747 class on a Monday and a 767 on a Tuesday to prevent bidding
The whole 767 process, lines
767 pay, work harder for less (3-4 legs a night anyone?)
Absurd training pay

Anything I'm forgetting that we are fighting for?
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Old 06-05-2014, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 4Green View Post
Absolutely that's what they want, to find out why people are leaving. And it includes

No trip or pay protection
Low min guarantee
3 year seat locks
Bad retirement plan
Starting 747 class on a Monday and a 767 on a Tuesday to prevent bidding
The whole 767 process, lines
767 pay, work harder for less (3-4 legs a night anyone?)
Absurd training pay

Anything I'm forgetting that we are fighting for?
Trip trades/drop?
Atrocious profit sharing?
Sick pay that encourages flying while sick?
A max of 3 weeks vacation?
Imputed income?

Sorry...got caught up in the spirit.
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Old 06-05-2014, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SVA402 View Post
THIS is what the union will tell you. Don't let them. You can have the better payrates AND fix the other issues you mentioned. I've seen this over and over again in contract negotiations, particularly with teamsters. If you don't shoot for everything that needs fixed it won't happen. In 2014 there is no reason to be considering anything other than improvements in every part of the contract.
Sorry, I don't see it that way...but we'll let the next ExCo figure out the priorities. Election is after all just around the corner...

I agree that we have to fix all sections in the CBA, but adding an item that is not really industry standard is not worth spending all the negotiating capital...all we'll get in return is weaken our position for the rest of the items we all want.

You are welcome to call me and we can talk about it...ask around for my number, or send me a PM.
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