Atlas Air Hiring
05-22-2014 | 08:30 PM
#8531
Tuk er jerbs!
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From: B747 Left
744driver,
You didn't cause any of this, so no need to apologize. This is stuff we all know gets hashed out regularly amongst our peers.
I simply know that where I came from, and where most of us came from, these attitudes of doing this for fun, as if flying for Atlas was our main interest or hobby, was completely unheard of. In fact, anywhere else in this industry, those guys are well-known kooks who usually won't get an invitation to the bar (harsh, but true).
It's simply an outlook that will get our next CBA nowhere.
You didn't cause any of this, so no need to apologize. This is stuff we all know gets hashed out regularly amongst our peers.
I simply know that where I came from, and where most of us came from, these attitudes of doing this for fun, as if flying for Atlas was our main interest or hobby, was completely unheard of. In fact, anywhere else in this industry, those guys are well-known kooks who usually won't get an invitation to the bar (harsh, but true).
It's simply an outlook that will get our next CBA nowhere.
05-22-2014 | 11:25 PM
#8532
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Joined: Nov 2010
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I posted this on a company thread but this is my take on Atlas if a youngin was asking...
when does the stockholm syndrome at this place end? Why aren't we worth industry leading pay and contract? Someone please explain this...
Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties/Prisoner Control Device that develop between two persons where one person/Crew Scheduling intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other."[4] One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim/Atlas Crews. Identifying with the aggressor/Management is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim/Atlas crews believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be a threat.[5]
Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is what being up 36 hrs and punch drunk in Shanghai will do!
when does the stockholm syndrome at this place end? Why aren't we worth industry leading pay and contract? Someone please explain this...
Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties/Prisoner Control Device that develop between two persons where one person/Crew Scheduling intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other."[4] One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim/Atlas Crews. Identifying with the aggressor/Management is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim/Atlas crews believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be a threat.[5]
Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is what being up 36 hrs and punch drunk in Shanghai will do!
05-23-2014 | 06:30 AM
#8533
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2006
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From: 747RJ
I posted this on a company thread but this is my take on Atlas if a youngin was asking...
when does the stockholm syndrome at this place end? Why aren't we worth industry leading pay and contract? Someone please explain this...
Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties/Prisoner Control Device that develop between two persons where one person/Crew Scheduling intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other."[4] One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim/Atlas Crews. Identifying with the aggressor/Management is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim/Atlas crews believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be a threat.[5]
Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is what being up 36 hrs and punch drunk in Shanghai will do!
when does the stockholm syndrome at this place end? Why aren't we worth industry leading pay and contract? Someone please explain this...
Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties/Prisoner Control Device that develop between two persons where one person/Crew Scheduling intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other."[4] One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim/Atlas Crews. Identifying with the aggressor/Management is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim/Atlas crews believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be a threat.[5]
Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is what being up 36 hrs and punch drunk in Shanghai will do!
It's time for a change.
Thanks for the excellent post.
05-26-2014 | 05:37 AM
#8535
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Joined: Nov 2011
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For you military folks, I called the Sr Director of the Flight Operations Support Group in Miami first thing this morning and posed the question on whether the conversion is 1.2 X sorties(like most companies) or 1.2 X total time.
The official answer is "1.2 for every hour flown".
Best of luck guys and gals!!
JT
The official answer is "1.2 for every hour flown".
Best of luck guys and gals!!
JT
05-26-2014 | 08:52 AM
#8536
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Joined: Mar 2011
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From: At the handlebars
Besides this quote you cite here, I have never seen any guidance regarding military conversion factors at Atlas. FWIW, I put a * next to my total time on resume and, in the footer, put "* Military conversion factor NOT used"
Maybe others will chime in. Good luck!
Maybe others will chime in. Good luck!
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05-26-2014 | 09:28 AM
#8537
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From: Babysitter
It's on the PAQ.
05-26-2014 | 12:39 PM
#8539
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From: Babysitter
05-26-2014 | 01:12 PM
#8540
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Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,906
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From: B767
I'm sure this has been covered on here at some point, but just wanted to point out a potential gotcha with the PAQ. In the PAQ instructions it says to save a copy to your computer and change the filename to your legal name. After doing that, it ERASES everything in the PAQ. Of course I didn't discover this until after I sent it! I was able to save a PDF copy by sending a filled out copy to my "PDF Printer", and resent that to the crewjobs email.
I've applied at every window the past several years, and I think I've been through this before. But since it has been a few months, I of course forgot and figured maybe some of you might too. Good luck everyone!
I've applied at every window the past several years, and I think I've been through this before. But since it has been a few months, I of course forgot and figured maybe some of you might too. Good luck everyone!
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