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Old 09-20-2014, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 744driver View Post
Agree 100%...many more fires to put out...don't get fixated on the (sorry for this!) small stuff.
Like going after our TCIs for open time pickups?

I think we owe it to the next round of new-hires to get rid of the 50 hour min (I know a lot of us got hit by that), $1600/mo pay, 3 year equipment locks, and the lack of profit sharing for 2 years. All things which have cost us tens of thousands of dollars in pay. Decidedly not "small stuff."

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Old 09-20-2014, 03:05 PM
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Thanks, NightIP. For anyone that wants to come here, this is not small stuff. No matter what anyone on a web board says, most people here want to fight for this "small stuff" because it has a huge affect on the quality of life for many pilots here. This includes new-hires as well as people that have been here for quite some time. If we end up ignoring these items, we'll still be sub-par and nobody wants to see that.
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Old 09-20-2014, 03:17 PM
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I am a regional FO, so they training pay and per diem you guys are talking about still sounds like a pay raise to me.

I passed the online technical exam the other day, so now I am waiting for the next step.
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Old 09-20-2014, 04:18 PM
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NightIP and SVA402,

I agree with your sentiment, but I would not have said "small things" if we didn't have other really major fixes in the CBA that we need to make next time around. Why do you think training pay, and first-year pay is paltry at some of the majors?...because they fixed other things in the CBA, and did not care to fight that battle during negotiations. Everything has a price when you negotiate a contract...Sorry, but first-year pay is not a big enough deal at the majors (those that have mature contracts)...it is even a lesser deal here...sorry, that is the truth. I want the big stuff fixed so we CAN be a major, and have a better contract that we don't have to apologize for!!

BTW, the OT flying for the CTI's is specifically not allowed in the CBA...and because the company is incapable of planning ahead they tried assigning OT flying to CTIs (and yes, several CTIs even bid on it)...guess what, that is contrary to the CBA...small stuff or not, it is a violation of the CBA...that is why a Grievance was filed.

I understand the frustration (you know me well enough to know I am not excusing the current situation), but training pay, and first-year pay at current levels is not a big enough piece of the puzzle to use up all the negotiating capital when we sit down next year.
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Old 09-20-2014, 06:38 PM
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CAcropduster if you dont mind me asking your flight experience, when you applied , when you heard back from Atlas, and if you knew anyone one currently working there.
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Old 09-20-2014, 06:41 PM
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What kind of trips does the 76 JFK base do? Is it more dhl like cvg or something different?
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Old 09-20-2014, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CAcropduster View Post
I am a regional FO, so they training pay and per diem you guys are talking about still sounds like a pay raise to me.

I passed the online technical exam the other day, so now I am waiting for the next step.
I was a regional FO too when I was hired. Enjoy the honeymoon phase! We'll welcome your outrage and more importantly your solidarity when the rose-colored glasses come off.
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Old 09-20-2014, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NJAXRated View Post
What kind of trips does the 76 JFK base do? Is it more dhl like cvg or something different?
Mostly AMC trips, the majority of which are in Europe/ME right now. Wasn't that long ago that JFK guys had nothing to bid but CVG hotel reserve, hopefully that's a thing of the past.
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Old 09-20-2014, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MIADC8 View Post
CAcropduster if you dont mind me asking your flight experience, when you applied , when you heard back from Atlas, and if you knew anyone one currently working there.
I applied in May and updated it with an internal rec in Aug. Got the email for the online assessment a few days ago.

I am super excited, long-haul international has always been where my heart has been.

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Old 09-20-2014, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CAcropduster View Post
I applied in May and updated it with an internal rec in Aug. Got the email for the online assessment a few days ago.

I am super excited, long-haul international has always been where my heart has been.

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Hey, cropduster! Congratulations on passing the exam! I, too, have been given the opportunity to take the assesment. I'm in the middle of a trip so I haven't taken it yet. Is there any insight you could provide in regards to types of stuff asked? I have looked at pretty much every page in this thread, gathered up " Everything explained...", atp test questions, WX stuff, even NAT operation manuals, yadda yadda yadda. I just don't want to blow this thing! Any help you could provide would be über cool of you! Anyway, congrats again!
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