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09-21-2014 | 11:28 AM

#9551

junglejet527

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How long after the written do guys usually hear? I just completed the written that was sent to me on Friday.

09-21-2014 | 12:36 PM

#9552

JerrySpringer

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Originally Posted by junglejet527

How long after the written do guys usually hear? I just completed the written that was sent to me on Friday.

Sorry to hear your shop is hosing you guys due to their mismanglement.

Best of luck to you and your colleagues landing on your feet.

09-21-2014 | 01:25 PM

#9553

crapgame

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all three ,,,AA, DAL, and UAL have some sort of equipment and/or status lock up to 24 months. just sayin

09-21-2014 | 02:22 PM

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Elusive Napkin

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all three ,,,AA, DAL, and UAL have some sort of equipment and/or status lock up to 24 months. just sayin

Most of those equipment locks are in place after you choose to bid a certain position. Not after one is assigned to you by HR.

09-21-2014 | 02:28 PM

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SVA402

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Originally Posted by Elusive Napkin

Most of those equipment locks are in place after you choose to bid a certain position. Not after one is assigned to you by HR.

Correct. Most major airlines have either a 0 or 1 year seat lock as a newhire and then a 1-2 year seatlock for voluntary moves after that.

09-21-2014 | 02:37 PM

#9556

NightIP

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Originally Posted by SVA402

Correct. Most major airlines have either a 0 or 1 year seat lock as a newhire and then a 1-2 year seatlock for voluntary moves after that.

Even worse when you come in fully typed and current, then get stuck on a 3 year lock. Very little cost to recover from our training program. The benefit is all on the company's side.

Now, I know what some will say: "You knew it coming in!" Yes we did, but what myself and my light twin cohorts didn't know was that they'd immediately hire 150+ guys behind us into the whale with no hope of getting sprung early for good behavior. Most of us involuntarily assigned to the 767 feel like we're just serving a sentence before our seniority can finally mean something at this airline. We're just stuck in limbo while junior pilots are filling vacancies in the bases of our choice.

But, at least they're paid more.

09-21-2014 | 02:45 PM

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Whaledriver

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Originally Posted by Elusive Napkin

Also, you aren't eligible for profit sharing until you have completed your first full CALENDAR year. Which means... A person hired in January of 2013 isn't eligible to begin receiving profit sharing until January of 2015. Then you accrue that year to be paid in 2016.

Sorry, this is incorrect. A NH in Jan 2013 will begin accruing profit sharing on Jan 31, 2014, which is paid in 2015, off the eleven eligible months of 2014.

09-21-2014 | 02:46 PM

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John Carr

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Originally Posted by crapgame

all three ,,,AA, DAL, and UAL have some sort of equipment and/or status lock up to 24 months. just sayin

But not as crappy/restrictive as the one at Atlas. UAL's, the smaller/lower paid equipment paid pilot can bid up right away as long as there is a vacancie. THEN they are locked. As opposed to Atlas's and the way it's structure to basically screw a guy for almost THREE YEARS.

Just sayin'......

09-21-2014 | 02:50 PM

#9559

Whaledriver

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You're not listening. In a couple years, long before we get the new contract, seat locks won't matter, natural flow thru will take more than three years. It will take more than three years to be senior enough to move from the junior 767/757 to the 747. Why spend leverage on something that will fix itself?

09-21-2014 | 04:10 PM

#9560

atpcliff

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Because if we can't get enough new hires to replace those leaving Atlas will start going downhill....could end up with capts being displaced to FO seats because of shrinking pilot force.

The pilot hiding situation is changing rapidly....