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Old 07-29-2014 | 03:54 AM
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Why would u do that and give up your flowthru? All the major regionals all have flowthru sooner rather than later.
I can't speak to his case directly, but the majors hate the idea of a flow through. They would much rather steal from a competitors regional than deplete the stock of their own contracted regionals. Furthermore, some of the flow through agreements stipulate only to interviewing - not hiring - their regional conscripts. It's NOT a guaranteed position at a major at all.

Atlas is a great option for regional pilots looking to move up and bolster their resumes. Until we see a fair salary, work rule improvements, and a decent retirement package, the "flow through" will be more active at Atlas than at many of the regionals.

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Old 07-29-2014 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 744driver
I agree with you CandlerKid...

DC8, I think that the point that I wanted to make and certainly should have is that the business plan that "old Polar" had was not sustainable at the time that Atlas bought Polar. Had it stayed that way, Polar would not have survived...and I submit to you that the Polar business plan is now based on the ACMI model, but with only one customer, DHL.
I agree that the Atlas business model is a more long term sustainable plan. I even understand the need for flexibility and the nature of the ACMI world. We just have nothing in our current contract that compensates us for our flexibility. I perhaps should have approached my original post a little more tact; but, after a day with 6 schedule changes in an hour, 4 rolling delays, bad catering and the preceding 7 days having to defend myself every day from illegal schedule changes, defending my basic rights under my CBA, threatened with chief pilot calls just for demanding what is provided for me in my CBA, it's really hard to have a good attitude and walk around drinking the Atlas cool aid (not saying you guys are). Things need to change here big time; I'm confident they will.
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Old 07-29-2014 | 12:25 PM
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Not trying to suggest doom and gloom as I am happy to be new at Atlas and at my age, I hope to "age-out" from here. Also, I ask this knowing about DHL's 49% stake in Polar. Nevertheless, I wonder how deep the cuts would go, namely in the seniority list, if DHL pulls the rug out from under Atlas. Any estimates?
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Old 07-29-2014 | 03:11 PM
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How many classes are going and planned? I think two started recently correct?
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Old 07-29-2014 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha
How many classes are going and planned? I think two started recently correct?
6/9 - 747 - 12 new hires
6/30 - 747 - 10 new hires
7/21 - 747 - 8 new hires

all still here in training.

8/11 - 747 - 10 new hires (?)
8/18 - 767 - 8 new hires (?)
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Old 07-29-2014 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8 Driver
Not me.. I didn't choose this life, I was merged into this nightmare. I'd go back to my old Polar pay if I could get my life back. I'm bidding in the top 5% in my base and it doesn't mean a damn thing other than days off. We're all just a bunch of charter pilots. I am hopeful though for contract 16, I think we've got allot of young talented guys that are ready to take the gloves off and fight and I'm ready to give my support 100%.
+1, so tired of all the "me" ster, and meeksters around here! PLs, The polar and young guys need to put together a team this fall!
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Old 07-31-2014 | 07:31 AM
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Old 07-31-2014 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff

I can't speak to his case directly, but the majors hate the idea of a flow through. They would much rather steal from a competitors regional than deplete the stock of their own contracted regionals. Furthermore, some of the flow through agreements stipulate only to interviewing - not hiring - their regional conscripts. It's NOT a guaranteed position at a major at all.

Atlas is a great option for regional pilots looking to move up and bolster their resumes. Until we see a fair salary, work rule improvements, and a decent retirement package, the "flow through" will be more active at Atlas than at many of the regionals.

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This model has changed due to poor pay and quality of life at the regional level. Now, nobody wants to be a regional pilot. The thought process has shifted. Management now wants a flow to attract pilots and keep their regional staffed. If the only way to a major is via a flow, then there isn't a regional staffing issue anymore.
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Old 07-31-2014 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Trip trade software is sched to be out next month.
Will it come on our new IPads?
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Old 07-31-2014 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gnaw
Will it come on our new IPads?
Yes.

IPads are due to be distributed in September.
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