The 50 hour guarantee is only for the first year pilots. On the 747, I was only at the 50 hour mark the first month when I had not yet started OE. I do not know about the 767. All subsequent years have a 62 hour guarantee. Again, my experience on the 747 is that I have been under 70 hours only twice in five years.

The two or three year "pay lock" on the light lift equipment was to protect against a pay cut from year one pay. In other words, this year, second year 747 FO pay is exactly $100.00. All the other fleet types are based as a percentage off of this rate.

Over 500,000 kilos MGTOW (i.e.A-380) pays at 108.03% of the base 747 pay.
375,000 - 500,000k = 100%
250,000 - 375,000k = 91.97%
125,000 - 250,000k = 83.94%
Under 125,000k = 75.91%

This year Atlas FO pay rates are:
1 - $79.60
2 - $100.00
3 - $105.45
4 - $111.14
5 - $117.08

So... year 2 pay on a 737 would be $75.91 with the percentage scheme, but the contract keeps you protected at $79.60. Year 3 pay on the 737 would be 75.91% of 105.45 or $80.05, so your pay would actually go up a whopping 45 cents.

Yes, the pay scales suck, but at least now you have an idea of what they actually would be for different equipment.

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Ok so that makes sense now.. So it seems like you still get a pay raise from the SAI scale no matter what.. And once you upgrade on the 73, you would go into the captain rates with the same formula..

 

yes it would. 75.91% of

1 154.11
2 158.73
3 163.49
4 168.40
5 173.45
6 178.66
7 184.01
8 189.54
9 195.22
10 201.08
11 207.11
12 213.32

 

Ok, correct me if im wrong but currently sai 737 pilots are stuck in cvg 18 days a month never going over the 61 hr guarrantee. With the atlas 4.95 rig thats 89.1 credit hrs per month or 1069.20 per year. Using that assumption and 75.91% of the current atlas 747 pay rates i come up with the following numbers vs the current sai pay. Yes, i want a new contract based on substancially higher numbers but im just looking at a current scenario if merged at the current atlas contract.

Sai
Year. Fo Rate. Per year. Ca rate. Per year
1. 61.22. 44,813. 106.84. 78,206
2. 65.57. 47,997. 110.51. 80,893
3. 70.24. 51,415. 114.30. 83,667
4. 75.23. 55,068. 118.22. 86,537
5. 77.50. 56,730. 122.27. 89,501
12. 95.31. 69,766. 150.38. 110,078

Atlas
1. 60.42. 64,601. 116.98. 125,075
2. 75.91. 81,162. 120.49. 128,827
3. 80.85. 85,589. 124.10. 132,687
4. 84.60. 90,454. 127.83. 136,675
5. 88.87. 95,019. 131.89. 141,016
12. 113.10. 120,926. 161.93. 173,103

 

I would agree with this in broad terms just remember the 4.95 rig or "CRT" as Atlas calls it is paid by the hour so 4.95/24=.20625 for each hour you are on company time. Since CVG is a base you will probably be paid around 17 days or 408 hours on company time which equals around 84 hours of pay. Also if the company doesn't need you they will send you home early and you will not get pay credit --- one of many things we need to fix.

 

The rig is one hour of pay for each 4.95 hours on the schedule. So 4.85 hours pay for a 24 day.

 

Published today.

CHAIRMAN'S UPDATE:

Dear Fellow Atlas Crew Members,

I want to take a moment to brief you on a very disappointing set of events that have taken place over the past two days here in New York City. Your negotiating team came to New York with the expectation of continuing good faith Section 6 negotiations for the purpose of reaching an amended CBA. On the first day, Monday, March 14, the company did not meet with us until 4:44 p.m., and then only to tell us that they had no response to the four outstanding CBA articles which the union negotiating team had presented to them last month. It was obvious that the company had done no work on any of it and, again, was unprepared. This, despite the company’s assurances at the last meeting that its negotiators would return with Article 30 (Uniforms) and respond to the Framework Agreement that we had provided to the company’s senior representatives this past December. Quite simply, the company again reneged on its commitments.

At Monday’s late, abbreviated meeting, the company indicated that it would not be responding to any articles which the union had presented and would not be presenting any proposals of its own either. The company stated that it would, however, respond to the union’s framework proposal on how to proceed with Section 6 negotiations for both the Atlas and Southern pilots.
On Tuesday, March 15, at approximately 3:00 p.m. Local 1224 President Captain Dan Wells received a last minute call from John Dietrich advising that the company would attempt to force the union and the Atlas and Southern Air pilots into an amalgamation process. Dietrich’s plan is to force the pilots to pay for Atlas’ $110 million cash acquisition of SAI and to pay for the more than $100 million in litigation settlement payments and FAA fines that it has racked up over the last few months. Dietrich’s focus is, therefore, to once again deny the Atlas pilots of our rightful ability to proceed down the Section 6 negotiations path. A few minutes later, at around 3:15 p.m., the Atlas managers, their lawyers and agents entered for the first time of the day to present their version of what they are calling a “Transition Agreement”. This document is punitive and is an underhanded, and possibly illegal, anti-union document for many reasons.

It is clear that the company is attempting to undermine and suppress the legal rights of our crew members. The path suggested by the company will devastate and set back, in a very detrimental fashion, the lives and careers of most of our pilots.
It is now time for you to voice your displeasure to the company. We must and will remain professional at all times, but we must lawfully and firmly let management know that we will not accept their assault on our jobs, our wages, our benefits and our profession. If we don’t, we will be stuck with our current CBA or something less. The company says it recognizes that the world has changed and is not seeking to cut our pilots’ wages and benefits, but history tells us that Dietrich’s words are meaningless. Our CBA is the product of an amalgamation/interest arbitration, and the company and its lawyers maneuvered that process to obtain sub-standard, arbitrator-imposed contract terms that we are now stuck under. The amalgamation/interest arbitration that the company is pushing for now would require an arbitrator to choose terms from our sub-standard CBA or worse, Southern Air’s bankruptcy contract. The company anticipates that it will take 12-15 months to reach its objective. That timeline is based on the company’s intention to force the pilots to accept it. The company has also indicated that if we do not accept its plan, the process will drag on for many, many years. The company’s entire approach is not acceptable.

I will have more details as we move forward. I can assure you that this EXCO and your union will fight tooth and nail with everything at our disposal and more. However, we cannot do this without you doing the same. The time is now to engage forcefully in what will be a long, hard-fought war between Atlas Air and us, the crew members.

Fraternally,

Captain Robert J. Kirchner

Executive Council Chairman
APA Teamsters Local 1224

 

Are you guys hiring?

 

F & H 101. They will drag it out and try to wear the group down. Stay Strong

 

What parts of each contract do they want to amalgamate?