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Old 01-21-2016 | 10:59 AM
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Atlas owns 3 triples through its dry lease subsidiary Titan. This move, if transacted as announced, adds diversification and gains more control of the DHL component. Reportedly meeting with 1224 tomorrow?
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Old 01-21-2016 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sandrich
Evidently Atlas is interested in the 737-800 freighter. Not sure if this means they want to try and swap DHL's 400s that Southern currently flies and replace them, or use them to supplement a new fleet of 800s.

As far as the LAN birds- if the one we currently fly is any indicator as to the level of "South American" maintenance standards, the rest of them won't be any gems. Every time I fly that bird there's no fewer than 8 MELs and they're different ones every time.
Interesting. Even with our CBA, good luck staffing 737 FOs...

The 767-200s they gave us to start in CVG had been scavenged for every good component during their years in the weeds. They want us to fly hangar queens? That's fine. Make sure everything is written up every leg and get a full briefing from the mechanic and maintenance control, too, prior to every departure to make sure we're being safe.

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Old 01-21-2016 | 11:09 AM
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Titan owns 6 777's
LAN has 3 more,
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Old 01-21-2016 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Globe Master
Titan owns 6 777's
LAN has 3 more,
Interesting. LAN is rumored to be moving out of 777 leases because of fleet alignment with TAM and the addition of A350 flying there. The freighter's becoming an unintended casualty.
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Old 01-21-2016 | 12:23 PM
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Old 01-22-2016 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Malex4u
Atlas management is in MIA at our training center right now briefing staff. The company wants a merger as soon as possible.
I can see the advantage to them of telling you that they want a merger. But what would be the advantage to them of actually merging the companies? Or more specifically, of merging the pilot seniority lists?
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Old 01-22-2016 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan
I can see the advantage to them of telling you that they want a merger. But what would be the advantage to them of actually merging the companies? Or more specifically, of merging the pilot seniority lists?
The ability to slide the 777 flying over and pick up a new 777 customer using Atlas and Southern pilots. This acquisition seems to be heavily weighted towards the desire to be in the 777/737 market. Southern doesn't own any of their airplanes. The value seems to be in being able to assume the flying that southern already has under their certificates.
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Old 01-22-2016 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan
I can see the advantage to them of telling you that they want a merger. But what would be the advantage to them of actually merging the companies? Or more specifically, of merging the pilot seniority lists?
Or so that we can sign a 777 contract with SonAir; they've been rumored to want 777s for a long time.

There are three ways to do that:
1. Add passenger operations, management, and administration to Southern's OpSpecs.
2. Add the 777 operation, training program, and management to Atlas OpSpecs (redundant to Southern's operation).
3. Merge Southern into the Atlas certificate.

My money (and hope) is on option 3. Merging certificates is a big task, but then you can start a passenger operation the next day, and realize several other benefits of a merged operation.
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Old 01-22-2016 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CallmeJB
. Merging certificates is a big task, but then you can start a passenger operation the next day, and realize several other benefits of a merged operation.
Hang on! What's this about passengers? I'm gonna have to start wearing pants!
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Old 01-22-2016 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CallmeJB
Or so that we can sign a 777 contract with SonAir; they've been rumored to want 777s for a long time.

There are three ways to do that:
1. Add passenger operations, management, and administration to Southern's OpSpecs.
2. Add the 777 operation, training program, and management to Atlas OpSpecs (redundant to Southern's operation).
3. Merge Southern into the Atlas certificate.

My money (and hope) is on option 3. Merging certificates is a big task, but then you can start a passenger operation the next day, and realize several other benefits of a merged operation.

In order for #2 to happen this deal would have to get DOJ approval by end of February and a Passenger 777 up and running by end of April. Atlas makes things happen but that is a tight timeline but good luck!

I'm not sure what the 744 burns an hour but I'm sure there's a huge cost savings with 2 engines on a 14 hour flight.
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